If people with firearms could end attacks so quickly, why are so many cops shot and killed each year

[futurecurrents]

....and if guns make us safer, why do as many die from them as from motor vehicles? Are guns getting us to the grocery store, work, home, vacation, the barber?

32,000 per year in the US. Yeah, guns keep us safe.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What is clear is these kids study other shootings to find mentors to copy, this according to a psychologist who wrote the book on school shootings.

The threat will evolve to circumvent guards and armed teachers. It will slow a few down then one kid will eliminate the guard(s) first or use explosives or a FT and nobody has a response to that.

All failure to take the gateway sexy gun away will do is cause delay. There are kids wearing bullet proof backpacks, useless against an AR. Even the new Cali standard copper rounds (lead free) are a problem to a good vest, I used to use pure copper and they are quite/very armor piercing. The new CCI copper .22LRs make a squirrel gun a seriously lethal device. They are too fast.

Anyone care to explain how "good guys with guns" shoot when on fire or flash-banged?

The attacks will evolve. Removing ARs from under 21s (ideally 24 unless military trained and in good standing) is necessary immediately.

 

[Poindexter]

"If people with firearms could end attacks so quickly, why are so many cops shot and killed each year"

Because police officers' firearms don't generate impenetrable force fields around them, you utter moron. Liberal lunacy like yours creates avoidable crises like what happened during the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, when unarmed but PC police officers had to flee from armed terrorists.

 

[Slartibartfast]

"If people with firearms could end attacks so quickly, why are so many cops shot and killed each year"

Because police officers' firearms don't generate impenetrable force fields around them, you utter moron. Liberal lunacy like yours creates avoidable problems like what happened during the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, when unarmed but PC police officers had to flee from armed terrorists.

Comrade Poindexter has learned many notes but not really an understanding of how to put them together.

 

[exGOPer]

Because police officers' firearms don't generate impenetrable force fields around them, you utter moron. Liberal lunacy like yours creates avoidable crises like what happened during the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, when unarmed but PC police officers had to flee from armed terrorists.

And who the fuck said that was the point? Can't you read one sentence properly and deduce it's key point?

I pointed out that if "people with firearms could end attacks so quickly" with quickly being the keyword, then we won't have so many dead cops. Four cops in New York trying to subdue a disgruntled office worker shot and wounded eight bystanders, what makes you dumb Cons think that improperly trained and inexperienced school teachers can subdue a highly trained killer with first mover advantage. The MAGA Trump supporting killer drove people into the hall to indiscriminately fire on them, how would arming teachers in that crowded scene would have helped given even police aren't that accurate.

Cops walk into known dangerous situations and still get shot and killed but a teacher with far less experience would be able to stop killers assuming the killer doesn't use the gun the teacher had in the first place. Sandy Hook shooter used his Republican mom's gun to first kill her and then massacre the children.

Dumb inbred Cons who can't read a sentence past their biases and the propaganda they have been brainwashed with. Use your brains for once idiot.

Sorry, I forgot you are a right-winger and are brain dead. Carry on then posting memes that other people told you are relevant to the situation. Suits your intellectual pedigree.

 

[gwb-trading]

And who the fuck said that was the point? Can't you read one sentence properly and deduce it's key point?

I pointed out that if "people with firearms could end attacks so quickly" with quickly being the keyword, then we won't have so many dead cops. Four cops in New York trying to subdue a disgruntled office worker shot and wounded eight bystanders, what makes you dumb Cons think that improperly trained and inexperienced school teachers can subdue a highly trained killer with first mover advantage. The MAGA Trump supporting killer drove people into the hall to indiscriminately fire on them, how would arming teachers in that crowded scene would have helped given even police aren't that accurate.

Cops walk into known dangerous situations and still get shot and killed but a teacher with far less experience would be able to stop killers assuming the killer doesn't use the gun the teacher had in the first place. Sandy Hook shooter used his Republican mom's gun to first kill her and then massacre the children.

Dumb inbred Cons who can't read a sentence past their biases and the propaganda they have been brainwashed with. Use your brains for once idiot.

Sorry, I forgot you are a right-winger and are brain dead. Carry on then posting memes that other people told you are relevant to the situation. Suits your intellectual pedigree.

exGOPer has a point regarding schools teachers and guns. My daughter is a school teacher. The reality is that most school teachers are female. Many are slight in figure and smaller than the average male in their high schools. Teachers are focused on teaching and interacting with students so they learn, not focused like a security officer in a school looking out for threats and problems all day. It would be very easy for a male student in a high school to overpower a teacher, take the teacher's gun, and shoot a large number of people in an enclosed classroom. Part of the reality is that most teachers are not trained for this close quarters situation; so just having a carry permit does not help much.

My daughter is opposed to have teachers armed in schools -- and this is coming from a lady who is trained in firearms, physically fit, shoots a pistol regularly, and has a carry permit. A better alternative (which they do now) is to have armed security officers (school resource officers from the police and sherriff's department) at each school.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What is clear is these kids study other shootings to find mentors to copy, this according to a psychologist who wrote the book on school shootings.

The threat will evolve to circumvent guards and armed teachers. It will slow a few down then one kid will eliminate the guard(s) first or use explosives or a FT and nobody has a response to that.

All failure to take the gateway sexy gun away will do is cause delay. There are kids wearing bullet proof backpacks, useless against an AR. Even the new Cali standard copper rounds (lead free) are a problem to a good vest, I used to use pure copper and they are quite/very armor piercing. The new CCI copper .22LRs make a squirrel gun a seriously lethal device. They are too fast.

Anyone care to explain how "good guys with guns" shoot when on fire or flash-banged?

The attacks will evolve. Removing ARs from under 21s (ideally 24 unless military trained and in good standing) is necessary immediately.

So I've raised this twice and both times severe motormouths just suddenly are struck dumb.

HOW DO YOU STOP THE SECURITY OFFICERS FROM BEING KILLED FIRST.

 

[Poindexter]

And who the fuck said that was the point? Can't you read one sentence properly and deduce it's key point?

You did, asshat. And now you're triggered because I eviscerated it.

what makes you dumb Cons think that improperly trained and inexperienced school teachers can subdue a highly trained killer with first mover advantage.

Total red herring. Nobody says we should arm "improperly trained and inexperienced school teachers." In addition to dedicated armed security personnel, what about teachers who are veterans or former LEOs? Or teachers who aren't either but are trained and experienced? And to assume that every attacker is "a highly trained killer" is also nonsense. The default leftist position is to make more gun-free zones (which are magnets for armed psychopaths), and it's better to be unarmed against "a highly trained killer with first mover advantage" than armed. You're a pathetic joke.

 

[Poindexter]

exGOPer has a point regarding schools teachers and guns. My daughter is a school teacher. The reality is that most school teachers are female. Many are slight in figure and smaller than the average male in their high schools. Teachers are focused on teaching and interacting with students so they learn, not focused like a security officer in a school looking out for threats and problems all day. It would be very easy for a male student in a high school to overpower a teacher, take the teacher's gun, and shoot a large number of people in an enclosed classroom. Part of the reality is that most teachers are not trained for this close quarters situation; so just having a carry permit does not help much.

My daughter is opposed to have teachers armed in schools -- and this is coming from a lady who is trained in firearms, physically fit, shoots a pistol regularly, and has a carry permit. A better alternative (which they do now) is to have armed security officers (school resource officers from the police and sherriff's department) at each school.

Good for her. But just because your daughter wouldn't be a good candidate, it doesn't mean nobody is.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I like the idea of arming LEOs but Poindexter, really best to keep your personal beliefs in astrology out of serious discussion.

(p.s. have you been in the military?, coz you are talking out of your ass)

Young guys return to their schools because they HATE their schools. Schools are not random magnets for crazy men generally. Young guys get ARs and go back to their school for revenge or some other idea in their head.

These NRA ideas are hopeless, they will just result in an evolved response. This is similar to antibiotics where not completing courses leads to better bacteria at an accelerated rate.

Remove the possibility of a young man from having a military grade weapon and he will just accept that. Let a mentally ill kid collect a bunch of guns and he will get the itch to use them, means movie* and opportunity. Treating mental illness is necessary however it is a very porous net. Removing the means, the sexy gun rapid fire gun, is essential.

It is a fundamental fact that 1% of a population are psychopathic, no empathy. When a psychopath gets schizophrenia which typically onsets in late teens, early 20s..

Remove all ARs from under 21 and ideally 24 year old males.

*yes a joke however glorification of military weapons is an issue.