I love the transparency of this market....

Bah, GOD DAMN it john, doesn't that remove the entire advantage BTC/blockchain had over fiat? The inability to inflate it? If you are saying that it is possible to keep moving that decimal point to the left, and keep dividing BTC more and more, then that is the same damned thing as the Fed printing more and more dollars. WTF!

*sad*


That's not how math works, but ok

0.00000001 = 0.00000001000000000000
 
2.1 Quadrillion satoshis

When 1 bitcoin is $1M each, the sats are worth 1 US cent (100M satoshis per 1 bitcoin)

I think it's possible to increase the number of decimal places without violating the current code base, if everyone agrees to the change, but there's no compelling reason for it, yet

cutting something into smaller and smaller pieces does not increase the supply, think of a gold bar split into the number of atoms, or a pizza split into 8 billion pieces, does not feed the whole world
There is no need to increase decimal places. When bitcoin goes to 1 million, base layer transactions will be very expensive, so its not like we will need even smaller fractions of a bitcoin to interact with the base layer. I think the only way it will scale is with what even Satoshi and Hal called Bitcoin banks. Its very much like Liquid BTC where they hold the actual BTC and create their own tokens which will be 100% collateralized. These tokens can then have a fraction of a satoshi.

I have watched hundreds of hours on this, and bitcoin scaling is very hard, and I really think the only way is via this route. Even Lightning I don't believe in too much because it still needs on-chain transactions. I personally have no problem with trusted custodians as long as proof of reserves is shown, and a rug pull could only to be carried out by many individuals that are known and who are distributed.
 
When someone says you got lucky for buying bitcoin 10 years prior, that takes away all of the hardships and difficulties that had to be endured

Going through a multi-year bear market in bitcoin/cryptos will test your soul and the worst one for me was 2018, not 2014 or 2022

The 2014 multi-year bear market, was painful, losing $50k at top valuation, but I could accept it, and just focused more of my time on my day job

The 2018 bear market was the most difficult achieving and losing the holy-grail 7 figure valuation

The 2022 bear market was the easiest,

You've gone through your first bear market and hopefully not your last, you've experienced the mocking, the ridicule, the fud, making you question everything, doubt it will ever come back up, you've even said yourself that we will never experience the same bull market as in the past...

Many of us think the 2021 bull market was an anomaly, we got cheated, this next one will prove it
Thanks for sharing this. Its really interesting to try and understand the different cycles and I would be exactly like you.... being upset about losing 50k, but down right horrified at watching 7 figures go down the drain.

But here is the thing... I truly believe the next cycle will be nothing like the last cycle. In fact, we are already seeing that the low from November isn't climbing as quickly as previous cycles, and I also think that the drop after the peak won't be as severe. The previous cycles have taught you to try and time an exit at the top and get out. This maybe mean selling after a 25% drop or whatever you decide. But I think for this next cycle, all that will happen is that it will run up again and leave you underexposed.

It makes sense to sell after a 25% drop and start buying back in when it has gone down 75%. But to me, because this is so obvious by now, it just won't happen. The bitcoin is now in stronger hands, and the future supply will be vastly less because of all the halvings. I can see us sell at -25%, protecting from a further drop, but then it goes back up without us. So its almost like selling on the next cycle might not be the smartest thing to do.
 
IYou got lucky it has reached the level it has reached, because it has no basis to reach any arbitrary level.

Ok, so let's forget the past and, today, bitcoin is $42k each, what is stopping you from putting all your life savings as I am doing also and in 10 years when bitcoin is over $1M each, you can reap the rewards of being very lucky today and putting your life savings

Oy. .00000001, and then you go .000000001 is an order of magnitude higher. That a lot of sats!

If you have a gold bar with 1 Trillion atoms, you don't say I have 1 Trillion gold bars, do you?

Or if you have a $100 bill and went to the bank to exchange for 10,000 pennies, you don't tell people bro, look, I have 10,000 $100 bills and show them the pennies?

Likewise, those will not be called sats (satoshis), they will be called something else, like naks (nakamotos)
 
There is no need to increase decimal places. When bitcoin goes to 1 million, base layer transactions will be very expensive, so its not like we will need even smaller fractions of a bitcoin to interact with the base layer. I think the only way it will scale is with what even Satoshi and Hal called Bitcoin banks. Its very much like Liquid BTC where they hold the actual BTC and create their own tokens which will be 100% collateralized. These tokens can then have a fraction of a satoshi.

I have watched hundreds of hours on this, and bitcoin scaling is very hard, and I really think the only way is via this route. Even Lightning I don't believe in too much because it still needs on-chain transactions. I personally have no problem with trusted custodians as long as proof of reserves is shown, and a rug pull could only to be carried out by many individuals that are known and who are distributed.

I very much like this idea. Lyn Alden and Nik Bhatia have talked about layers, since bitcoin is a base layer money, like gold, no liabilities

Thanks for sharing this. Its really interesting to try and understand the different cycles and I would be exactly like you.... being upset about losing 50k, but down right horrified at watching 7 figures go down the drain.

But here is the thing... I truly believe the next cycle will be nothing like the last cycle. In fact, we are already seeing that the low from November isn't climbing as quickly as previous cycles, and I also think that the drop after the peak won't be as severe. The previous cycles have taught you to try and time an exit at the top and get out. This maybe mean selling after a 25% drop or whatever you decide. But I think for this next cycle, all that will happen is that it will run up again and leave you underexposed.

It makes sense to sell after a 25% drop and start buying back in when it has gone down 75%. But to me, because this is so obvious by now, it just won't happen. The bitcoin is now in stronger hands, and the future supply will be vastly less because of all the halvings. I can see us sell at -25%, protecting from a further drop, but then it goes back up without us. So its almost like selling on the next cycle might not be the smartest thing to do.

We have not seen the full blown bull market of this cycle but we do not have long to wait. The next 2 years will prove if you are correct or a lot of us moonbois Bitcoiners are saying $1M because of supply shock

Samson Mow is saying $1M/btc within 6 months, but maybe I like this guy's math of $13M/btc

Either way, it's going to be an exciting 2 years, buckle up, crypto bros!!!!

 
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If you have a gold bar with 1 Trillion atoms, you don't say I have 1 Trillion gold bars, do you?

Or if you have a $100 bill and went to the bank to exchange for 10,000 pennies, you don't tell people bro, look, I have 10,000 $100 bills and show them the pennies?...

John...bubbe...I am not trying to be your enemy, I am your friend. (and that's a Star Trek reference, too!.)

You didn't answer the question.
 
Samson Mow is saying $1M/btc within 6 months, but maybe I like this guy's math of $10M/btc
I'm super bullish as well. When we get to $1M, it will have passed the market cap of gold. This of course won't go unnoticed. All the property owners will also see this and wonder if they are holding onto a dead and depreciating asset. And when this happens, I think it also means there are major structural problems in the fiat system. This won't be a parabolic rise that everyone expects to then crash like GME or AMC. This will be a major fundamental change of the whole system. There literally might not be any major retracements. Once it hits this high level, it means that other people have bought into the narrative of a crumbling fiat currency, and then there is no going back.

I know Arthur Hayes predicts the mother of all rallies and then a major dump, but I think there is a chance that its the mother of all rallies, and then we just go sideways. Why would there be a dump? Who will go back into fiat? Sure, I might want to buy property, not as an investment, but simply to live in, so I would sell. And US dollars will of course always be used as a method of payment. But selling BTC will only be done if you need to convert it to something that you need in the moment. In the past we have seen people selling Bitcoin when liquidity dries up, and I think I saw a snippet where Elon apparently said the bitcoin on Tesla's balance sheet was sold since they needed the money, but Space X still has theirs. (I would love if someone can link the proof of this or verify if I got it right) But if you need liquidity for fiat that is failing, and you see bitcoin going up every day, why even convert if you have bitcoin? Just default on the fiat obligations.

Anyway... so yes, I am bullish, and because of this, I think the cycles may in some way be broken. Its like those math problems about the spider in the well who climbs up 2 feet a day, but slides down 1 foot during the rain. When he get to the top, he is out, so you no longer have to factor in the 1 foot drop to figure out how long it takes him to get out. If the top of this next cycles brings mass adoption, there is no need for another dump.
 
Ok, so let's forget the past and, today, bitcoin is $42k each, what is stopping you from putting all your life savings as I am doing also and in 10 years when bitcoin is over $1M each, you can reap the rewards of being very lucky today and putting your life savings



If you have a gold bar with 1 Trillion atoms, you don't say I have 1 Trillion gold bars, do you?

Or if you have a $100 bill and went to the bank to exchange for 10,000 pennies, you don't tell people bro, look, I have 10,000 $100 bills and show them the pennies?

Likewise, those will not be called sats (satoshis), they will be called something else, like naks (nakamotos)

IttyBITtys??:D
 
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