Huge majority of you here are losers? Agree?

Here is the percentage of winning/losing traders for various well-known Forex brokers, per quarter.

As you can see, each quarter 75% of traders are losers, on average, OANDA being the only exception (50% are losers), for reasons I cannot explain.


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Quote from xelite777:

Here is the percentage of winning/losing traders for various well-known Forex brokers, per quarter.

As you can see, each quarter 75% of traders are losers, on average, OANDA being the only exception (50% are losers), for reasons I cannot explain.


quarterly.jpg


Oanda allows super piker sizing, which somewhat eliminates fear in trading, could be the reason
 
Nice data but is survivorship bias taken into account? :)

Quote from xelite777:

Here is the percentage of winning/losing traders for various well-known Forex brokers, per quarter.

As you can see, each quarter 75% of traders are losers, on average, OANDA being the only exception (50% are losers), for reasons I cannot explain.


quarterly.jpg
 
Quote from Trader.Fighter:

Oanda allows super piker sizing, which somewhat eliminates fear in trading, could be the reason

It also has a nice edu resources and the useful tools on their website.
 
Quote from xelite777:

Most traders lose in the long run not because "they trade worse than random" like you said, but because trading in itself is a game with a negative mathematical expectancy to begin with.

Absolutely not. If it were, it would not have survived this long. This is a limited view. Also, if you believe that, you should not even participate in a trading forum because you are wasting your time. You should try to find positive expectation games to talk about.

Quote from xelite777:

Try this: make 1000 random trades in the Forex market, let's say the EUR/USD with a 3 pip spread. To make things easier let's also say that your stop is equal to your target.

After 1000 random trades, you will notice that your average winning rate is 50% and that your total loss is 3000 pips ($30.000). That 30 grand is in the pocket of your Forex broker.

So what? This is not what makes trading difficult. If those 1000 random trades offer a reward:risk ratio of 2 then the cost of doing business is more than justified. Besides, the broker pays his employees who then spend the money in the real economy and in this way money come back to traders as a salary or business profit to replenish accounts. Money recycles.

What makes trading difficult is ignorance. Most people trade worse than random, worse than throwing dice.
 
Quote from tangentShot:

So you trade better than random? And you have to look down on people who lose money? Is that how your mother teach you?

To start with you should apologize for involving a mother in this conversation. This is the first time since I joined this group I come across someone doing this.

I don't look down on people who lose money because I also lost my share when I was learning. My only point was that if you trade better than random you have a good chance to make money because even a large percentage of random traders win. Thus you need a good plan, low cost of operation, a very important aspect that trefoil explained to you. He is one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable members and you should listen to him.
 
Quote from trefoil:

1 - Keep your commish minimal. That means 2 things: not only finding a low cost platform, but also finding a low cost system.
2 - A low cost system will, almost by definition, be one that allows you to relax, because it protects you from overtrading.
3 - A relaxed trader makes money. A nervous trader loses.

Rule 3 is just a variation on Billie Holiday: them that haz, gits. Simple, actually.

2 can be anything: a low frequency system, an automated system that overall (including commish) wins, a manual system cuz you can't be bothered automating it or it can't be anyway, whatevs. The point is to get to 3, by whatever means necessary.

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What can price do? It can only go up or down. Why is it that something so apparently simple defeats all or most new players?

First of all you have to notice the gyrations (the swings up and down of price) and not any so-called trends. Next you harness those swings to manufacture your net gains on a day trading basis. The system you devise has to be accurate and reliable.

So a lot of study, savy, patience and practice are required as the primary attributes which you need. But who are going to be the new players who are savy enough and patience enough and who in addition must have the strength and balance of mind to actually trade effectively?

Finally, it is always there for the doing. Few do it.
:)
 
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