how to provide proof of income to rental people too brainwashed by normies to comprehend

[M.W.]

Fuxx you, what is others' tax return your business. Glad I don't have to deal with assholes like you and own my property and land. Same bullshit than insurance companies asking for credit scores. What a nonsense society many have to navigate through. But good for you that you still find plenty lemmings and foot soldiers that would probably be equally happy to let you rape their daughter for that rental contract in exchange. In an ideal world people would kick your face and break your cheeks in exchange for snooping around in their private affairs.

By the way, asswipe, if you rejected a smoker in California you would have a huge lawsuit up your ass. You can't reject someone just because they are a smoker. You can however insist on no smoking inside your four walls. You can gain legal access to the flat after a few weeks and make sure this is adhered to. But what you suggest doing is outright illegal discrimination.

You can argue as much as you like that this minimizes your risk. Behavior like what you described is the one of a human asshole. And no, you can't do whatever pleases you, even with your own property, the second you involve others and fuck up their rights and privacy.

I've been a landlord for over 40 years. In the last few years (California) I handed one rental to a property management company. Another I sold to my daughter. The last one I have held till the tenant dies or leaves...Then I'll hand it over to the property management company. In CA you have to be really careful not to discriminate in any way!!

What I have done for people who generate their own income...I will ask for their last year's tax returns. If you say you do this, you would have filed a return...Yes?? Just like home loans want to see a history of work (to prove they are in the industry...Example plumbing), the same for renting. Working...W-2s...If you say you have the money...Paper statements.

If I had a choice of two or three potential tenants...I would go beyond the background checks. If they are renting a house I will look and see how the outside is kept. I have rejected tenants because there was trash everywhere around the yard. Do you really think they will change for me??

I had one woman who said she was a beautician...That she makes $50-60,000. a years. She starts rattling off who she has done hair for. I say cool, can you bring in your last year's tax return?? Never heard from her again...

Trust everybody...But cut the cards.

PS Facebook does matter...If I see red flags on Facebook pages (within the last year say) I may reject you. An example...You say you are not a smoker, but I see a picture you posted last month with a cigarette in your mouth, I probably will reject you. Even if you have quit, there is a solid chance you could relapse...Just saying. If I could get into someones house for 2-3 seconds, I can tell you whether I want them as a tenant or not. The room usually does not lie...

 

[M.W.]

Here we go, clearly shows that if you had more than a shag in the local favela to rent out then you would not need to concern yourself with squatters. Every door man and security would notice those individuals in no time. Of course that does not apply to some social welfare housing and drug dens, which you probably bought and now attempt to rent out.

A little...But I do things differently now. Once (the minute, and I do mean minute) the tenant leaves, I will put in a house sitter. Either a young man or woman I trust...I'll pay them $40. a day. I'll try and turn the rental over quickly to a new tenant...As fast as I can.

The rent means nothing...Protecting the unit (house) is everything!!

 

[VicBee]

Fuxx you, what is others' tax return your business. Glad I don't have to deal with assholes like you and own my property and land. Same bullshit than insurance companies asking for credit scores. What a nonsense society many have to navigate through. But good for you that you still find plenty lemmings and foot soldiers that would probably be equally happy to let you rape their daughter for that rental contract in exchange. In an ideal world people would kick your face and break your cheeks in exchange for snooping around in their private affairs.

The most unusual for anyone settling in the US for the first time is "The Credit Score". It only exists in the US as far as I know and treats everyone alike, no matter your financial history. Rich or poor, you are a 100% credit risk until you prove otherwise and the higher the score, the easier it is to navigate life's financial necessities, like buying a car, a house, a business, etc. For many non Americans it's surprising that a private, non governmental entity, has so much power to determine the worth of 330 million people in a country where credit is everything.
In Europe and elsewhere, people don't live on credit much, although that's changing. Rules are very strict and default has serious repercussions to the ability to even have a bank account. Credit cards are really what American call debit cards. The only credit people take is to buy a property and that's a painstaking process of employment validations, history with the bank, relationship with one's bank manager... Old school. It's not unusual for defaults to end up the responsibility of family members who are required to cosign on a loan when one's history doesn't fit a strictly defined profile. We Americans would be shocked by the power bankers yield in Europe ..

 

[TheDawn]

Fuxx you, what is others' tax return your business. Glad I don't have to deal with assholes like you and own my property and land. Same bullshit than insurance companies asking for credit scores. What a nonsense society many have to navigate through. But good for you that you still find plenty lemmings and foot soldiers that would probably be equally happy to let you rape their daughter for that rental contract in exchange. In an ideal world people would kick your face and break your cheeks in exchange for snooping around in their private affairs.

By the way, asswipe, if you rejected a smoker in California you would have a huge lawsuit up your ass. You can't reject someone just because they are a smoker. You can however insist on no smoking inside your four walls. You can gain legal access to the flat after a few weeks and make sure this is adhered to. But what you suggest doing is outright illegal discrimination.

You can argue as much as you like that this minimizes your risk. Behavior like what you described is the one of a human asshole. And no, you can't do whatever pleases you, even with your own property, the second you involve others and fuck up their rights and privacy.

Providing income tax returns is not giving up privacy. Banks ask that as part of their underwriting process for approving you for a mortgage. And any landlord has the choice to choose whoever he/she rents his/her property to. It's his/her private property and he/she has rights too. Since you are a homeowner yourself, how would you like it if somebody comes to your home and trashes your home, leaving garbage everywhere on your front lawn just because they pay you a few hundred to couple of thousand dollars each month?

Sounds like you are a renter that got burned a few times by landlords.

 

[Cabin111]

Here we go, clearly shows that if you had more than a shag in the local favela to rent out then you would not need to concern yourself with squatters. Every door man and security would notice those individuals in no time. Of course that does not apply to some social welfare housing and drug dens, which you probably bought and now attempt to rent out.

You know nothing about me...

I keep my rents low. You know why many of my tenants leave?? They go buy homes!!! I believe I am a good landlord...The kind that will get the plumber out there on Christmas day, paying double time for their services.

Hurt, critical, and bitter does not suit you...

 

[M.W.]

I have never ever in Europe had to show my credit score let alone grant access to have my credit score accessed by anyone ever other than the first time I got my credit card when I was 18 or 19. Not a single individual I have ever known among family, friends, acquaintances in Europe ever bought anything but houses on credit. Not cars, not anything else. Nor had I ever had to show employer information, proof of income, or anything when I rented apartments and houses in Singapore, Germany, Sweden, Hong Kong. This fucking ordeal only started after moving to North America. Sigh...luckily I settled down bought my own acreage and could not care less about this crap. It just gets me when I hear about this crap. Please explain why car insurers or home insurers need access to my credit score or information about previous insurers. It's none of their fucking business. Why don't they go the full mile and require a criminal record check,lol. Turn it as you like the single reason this is happening in North America is because the entire system is designed to benefit the capitalists. Everybody else has minimal to no rights whatsoever. Europe and Asia strike a much better balance and it shows in the standard of living scores where America and Canada trail most central and North European countries.

Guess what, the sun still rises and sets in Europe every single day without all this crap. Something is just really weird about this in NA.

The most unusual for anyone settling in the US for the first time is "The Credit Score". It only exists in the US as far as I know and treats everyone alike, no matter your financial history. Rich or poor, you are a 100% credit risk until you prove otherwise and the higher the score, the easier it is to navigate life's financial necessities, like buying a car, a house, a business, etc. For many non Americans it's surprising that a private, non governmental entity, has so much power to determine the worth of 330 million people in a country where credit is everything.
In Europe and elsewhere, people don't live on credit much, although that's changing. Rules are very strict and default has serious repercussions to the ability to even have a bank account. Credit cards are really what American call debit cards. The only credit people take is to buy a property and that's a painstaking process of employment validations, history with the bank, relationship with one's bank manager... Old school. It's not unusual for defaults to end up the responsibility of family members who are required to cosign on a loan when one's history doesn't fit a strictly defined profile. We Americans would be shocked by the power bankers yield in Europe ..

 

[M.W.]

I don't know about the US but here in Canada you can take a landlord to court if he or she chooses someone else over you despite being first and the ability to provide proof of employment and references. Not that its worth it to take someone to court over this but you would win hands down and could inflict some pain on a landlord who unlawfully discriminates.

Providing income tax returns is not giving up privacy. Banks ask that as part of their underwriting process for approving you for a mortgage. And any landlord has the choice to choose whoever he/she rents his/her property to. It's his/her private property and he/she has rights too. Since you are a homeowner yourself, how would you like it if somebody comes to your home and trashes your home, leaving garbage everywhere on your front lawn just because they pay you a few hundred to couple of thousand dollars each month?

Sounds like you are a renter that got burned a few times by landlords.

 

[M.W.]

Nobody is hurt or bitter. What you are asking is unreasonable and pointless and imo a shit move. If you can't figure out whether a potential trenant begs for trouble from a face to face conversation about his or her intent to rent, why your home, why this location, then this pretty much makes you appear to have very poor judgement skills and lack of discernment. No tax records should be part of any rental process.

You know nothing about me...

I keep my rents low. You know why many of my tenants leave?? They go buy homes!!! I believe I am a good landlord...The kind that will get the plumber out there on Christmas day, paying double time for their services.

Hurt, critical, and bitter does not suit you...

 

[TheDawn]

I don't know about the US but here in Canada you can take a landlord to court if he or she chooses someone else over you despite being first and the ability to provide proof of employment and references. Not that its worth it to take someone to court over this but you would win hands down and could inflict some pain on a landlord who unlawfully discriminates.

Really? Wow! That sounds strange. You sure? So nobody has the right to choose then in Canada? LOL This does not make sense. I mean even a company has the right to not hire the first person that walks through their door with all of the qualifications and references, and you would have no case if you go up to a judge and say "I have all of the qualifications and references and I was the first person interviewed but they denied me the employment" then why would a judge be forcing an individual to open up his/her home to the first person that walked through the door just because that person seems to have provided proof employment and references? It's not all about qualifications or proof of income and/or references, it's about the fit. Everybody has the right to decide what's best for them, what's best for their business, what's best for their own home.

Well that's why there is a lack of affordable housing everywhere. It's because people don't want to deal with this kind of BS and decent people end up not able to find an affordable place to rent and can only live in their cars in Walmart parking lots.

 

[TheDawn]

Nobody is hurt or bitter. What you are asking is unreasonable and pointless and imo a shit move. If you can't figure out whether a potential trenant begs for trouble from a face to face conversation about his or her intent to rent, why your home, why this location, then this pretty much makes you appear to have very poor judgement skills and lack of discernment. No tax records should be part of any rental process.

Income tax returns are a legitimate form of proof of income. Like I said, banks ask that all the time as proof of income when you apply for a mortgage or any loans so do banks have "poor judgement skills and lack of discernment too?" Are you, by any chance, that beautician who bragged about everything that she did but couldn't produce an income tax return to prove her income? LOL