how to manage false breakouts on NQ ES

Quote from Breakout:




Okay...I see what you're saying, now. And that's cool. But, I
wouldn't be able to do that. That doesn't mean that you're
wrong and I'm right, okay. We're both right...it's just that I
would rather get in and out 5 times on the way up rather than
try to hold that 1 trade for a hour.

Thanks for posting the chart...a chart speaks a thousand words.

YVW.
 
Breakout

can you tell us which future firm or which trading platform you use to trade your set up?

many thanks
 
Quote from spreadem:

On the contrary. I think that when a trader limits themselves to trading with the major trend they suffer many drawdowns within the overall trend and limit money making opportunities.

In fact the scalper that has a fixed set of entries/exit signals and good money management won't be exposed to as many risks, especially overnight drawdowns.

Since the subject of this thread is index futures trading I will address my comments to index futures when I say that indices do not lend themselves well to trend trading because trendlines are frequently broken and then the direction is continues. There are many fake-outs and directional reversals that frustrate even the most disciplined trader.


Well said...I agree 100%
 
Quote from bungrider:



:D

quick [dumb] question - i'm not sure i know what you guys mean by 'retracement' - do you mean pullback to the breakout level? and when you say 'trading retracements' does that mean buying the pullback to the breakout level??

thanks in advance (and great thread, btw),
-b

The market, in a trend, advances the trend and also takes breathers. The non davancing portion of a trend is sometimes called a retracement.

There are ET'ers who recognize that in different time periods you can see differing aspects of market trends.

As a person gets to a neutral bias, they seem to be able to eliminate periods of market activity that do not make money.

By learning what is going on, each moment of change is filled with opportunity. The way you ease into making opimum money almost all the time is by meeting the challenges that you become conscious of.

As you see "retracements" appear, you are being given an new opportunity. Someone said here in response to a chicken person comment: Could you do both instead of doing the chicken thing only?

This consciousness is a terrific addition to the money that a person would be making.

You can see that drawdowns are poorly termed items. they make money just as well as non draw downs. Non drawdowns do not have a name I guess.

You see whipsawed people here. Instead of being a whipsawee, consider being a whipsawer.

there is the "chppy" club too. They, of course, are trading a periodicity that is incorrect and they haven't migrated to the correct one yet.

what happens to most peope who do not preserve the myths of the market is that they become conscious of opportunites and then learn to measure them. After that they devise strategies to make money from their stuff. If you see comments on how lousey some market phenomena is for a person, also sit for a moment and think about who is taking this guys money away from him.

We do know someone is getting it, don't we? How hard is it to get to the trading level of the neat guys who so much fun no matter what is going on? None of this is rocket science. Markets are just places where people do stuff according to human nature.
 
Quote from Breakout:



I know what you're saying, partner. I wish I could hand you the
Holy Grail. I'm constantly tweaking my trend indicators and my
entry techniques to reduce my losers. All I'm saying
is, this is where I'm at right now. And, I've had some pretty good
days lately. And I've had my share of losing days, too.

But, I'm trading better than I was a year ago. And hopefully a
year from now, I'll be trading better than I am today.


Are you using the same general system you're using now from one year ago? I have just been trading a similar system for 4 weeks and the results are good overall. But I'm still looking for more filters to improve the system. I think we should start a thread on the RS system talking just about tweaks and filters (similar to Hershey's stochastic thread). My system is similar to yours, except in addition I'm using BT of course. Ensign is really great for tweaking.

If you want a comparison with Hershey's method, you can just compare your results with dawg's results (assuming it is a good representation of Hershey's method) in the Dawg Pound thread - is his thread still alive? FWIW, I'm satisfied with my results compared to dawg's.

LBR says that profit per bar counts (I wonder what happened to tampa's "short skirt" trades - and, I think tampa also tried the "rocket" trades). IMO, scalpers should win in the profit per bar category.

pretzel
 
Quote from pretzel:




Are you using the same general system you're using now from one year ago?


No, it's not even close. I've really learned
a lot from some of the ET members.






I have just been trading a similar system for 4 weeks and the results are good overall. But I'm still looking for more filters to improve the system.


No offense, but I don't really think of it as a system. To me, it's just more of a method. Like I said in my earlier post, if I don't feel
right about it, I'll get out or pass.

I think day trading is more of an art compared to your longer term
systems which are more mechanical.

If you read the interviews in the market wizard books, you'll notice a lot of the traders(especially the pit traders)would trade
off gut feelings and a few support and resistance areas.

So, the setup I'm using now just gives me a general idea of
what I can expect to happen next. To me, thats better than
a 50/50 coin toss, hence the edge.




I think we should start a thread on the RS system talking just about tweaks and filters (similar to Hershey's stochastic thread). My system is similar to yours, except in addition I'm using BT of course. Ensign is really great for tweaking.


Go for it!...




LBR says that profit per bar counts (I wonder what happened to tampa's "short skirt" trades - and, I think tampa also tried the "rocket" trades). IMO, scalpers should win in the profit per bar category


What does she mean by "profit per bar
counts?"
 
Breakout,

"Profits Per Bar" example,

If you make 10 pts in 2 mins in a 1-minute chart, that's 5 pts per bar.

If you make the same 10 pts in 10 mins in a 1-min chart, that's 1 pt per bar.

Which is better?

pretzel
 
Quote from 168:

Breakout


people who loves and know the risk management would love the sep up at 10:04



many thanks
168


Glad to hear you're getting something out of it. Here's another
thought I've been tinkering with.
 

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