How to cut down crime drastically imo

[PiggyBank]

Quote from Joe Doaks:

What I want to know is how he got that piece out and racked so fast. No small feat considering that it was concealed and he was sitting. I think I would still be gaping at the situation while he getting off the first two shots. Maybe because it was a sleazy internet gambling parlor he had already thought it out. He WAS against the back wall in sight of the door.

Like Phoenix alluded to earlier he is probably a vet. You can't really see him until he comes into the camera view, but the minute the guy with the pistol turned his back this guy got up and it looks like he tried to sneak as close as he could get.. nerves of steel.

IMO it was more of a reaction than anything else. Like you said he probably thought it through and was mentally prepared for that situation, and armed. Good for him.

 

[Joe Doaks]

Quote from PiggyBank:

Like Phoenix alluded to earlier he is probably a vet. You can't really see him until he comes into the camera view, but the minute the guy with the pistol turned his back this guy got up and it looks like he tried to sneak as close as he could get.. nerves of steel.

IMO it was more of a reaction than anything else. Like you said he probably thought it through and was mentally prepared for that situation, and armed. Good for him.

This is a poor rendition of the original cartoon from the 60's, which I can't find, but...

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from Joe Doaks:

This is a poor rendition of the original cartoon from the 60's, which I can't find, but...

haha.. seriously though this is why if you are packing you USE it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZy8tTznLDA

 

[Joe Doaks]

Quote from PiggyBank:

haha.. seriously though this is why if you are packing you USE it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZy8tTznLDA

It depends on the demographics of the group, of course, but in Texas, you have a 4% chance that a young adult male is packing legally. Assaulting four young guys in Texas would not be a good bet. Those odds get really bad if they are old white guys in suburbia. The most determined pistol shooters I have ever seen in my life are the retired old farts practicing in the morning.

 

[denner]

Quote from PiggyBank:

Like Phoenix alluded to earlier he is probably a vet. You can't really see him until he comes into the camera view, but the minute the guy with the pistol turned his back this guy got up and it looks like he tried to sneak as close as he could get.. nerves of steel.

IMO it was more of a reaction than anything else. Like you said he probably thought it through and was mentally prepared for that situation, and armed. Good for him.

Yeah, I definitely believe he was a vet...and just from looking at the video two times, it appeared he came out of that last row of computers and the robber didn't catch him out of his peripheral vision.

My first reaction watching the video was that those two guys came in with alot of force and/or "swagger" or whatever the hell you want to call it. There was nothing calm or "professional" about the way these guys were going to rob the place. And the shotgun? I mean if I see that combined with the way these guys were jumping around in there and the ski masks, I'm inclined to think those guys are going to start mowing down people, NOT just go around and collect wallets and wristwatches.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Alright, I stayed out of the discussion regarding use of acceptable force until now, but I have to say the following: Once a weapon enters the fray, knife or gun, the situation has now escalated to RED from GREEN or YELLOW and the use of deadly force to protect oneself is allowable in just about everywhere but the most liberal of states.

If you fear for your life or the life of others, you don't get hung up on tap dancing around what you do or do not do if you have a gun. If you have a gun, and they do too, you calculate your opening and then use it. I would rather be left explaining myself to the police, than dead.

In each encounter with a thug and weapon, you just do not know which thug is "the good kind" and will only take your money, and which one will kill you for the fun of it. You must assume the worst of all variables.

I agree he had legal justification. My question went to how smart it was, and also the fact that he was damn lucky he wasn't left with an empty gun and two pissed off gang bangers. Like Joe Doaks said, his gun is basically meant for spitting range, not a dynamic gunfight against two guys in a room full of innocent bystanders.

This also highlights one of the dilemmas of concealed carry: the gun you can carry inobtrusively is probably not the one you want in this type of situation.

 

[PiggyBank]

One more, this is just ruthless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPo8RIVNG0&feature=related

If the clerk had shot him in the back and killed him, it should be justified imo. I would do it

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I see this as a tough call. Clearly, you have the right to use deadly force in this situation, but you have to ask how reasonable it is. As satisfying as it is to see these punks get shot and later arrested, it could easily have had tragic consequences, for example if they had returned fire and hit someone. It was a fairly crowded place and one of his shots could also have hit someone accidentally, for example someone walking by on the sidewalk.

Also, I note that his last shots through the doorway took place as the robbers were fleeing. Arguably they posed no threat at that time. If he had killed them, he mght well be facing charges, and certainly would if Obama, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson got involved. He would also be looking at a civil lawsuit.

On the other hand, the punks could have decided to herd everyone into a back room, rape the women and then kill everyone. As I said, tough call.

The law is the problem.

This type of incidence needs to have the Good Samaritan laws take precedence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

 

[377OHMS]

Well I don't know what to make of those calling me (and others) a pansy for admitting that I would not start wildly firing my pistol 10 seconds into a robbery in a room full of young people. I didn't criticize or second-guess the old fellow I was simply asked what I would have done.

With a pistol I'm a cross between Elmer Fudd and Mr. Magoo, its just a fact. I would have to be inside of 10 feet from someone to hit them reliably. That fact would figure into my thinking for sure.

Also, if you've seen someone who has been wounded with a gun you might be reluctant to just spray bullets.

I know some of you think you are Bill Hickok but some guys would have us believe they are marksmen when they clearly have little or no experience with firearms. It was RCG who informed us that guns become more accurate with increasing range and that he can routinely make accurate pistol shots at ranges over 100 yards.

I was shot at once and probably broke some kind of record for the first 50 yards running away lol. It ain't like watching a video. Some of you would decorate your boxer shorts if confronted by an armed man.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from 377OHMS:

It was RCG who informed us that guns become more accurate with increasing range and that he can routinely make accurate pistol shots at ranges over 100 yards.

I seriously doubt that, even modest knowledge of physics would indicate that's just plain ol non-sense.

There's a reason weapons have longer barrels and rifling and it ain't because it looks cool.

Now look at a protractor and take a 2* swath measure out that distance (circumference ) at 20ft and 300ft.

Honestly ohms you should know better.