How I was banned from TheologyWeb

This thread is a commentary - both comic and tragic - on what we are told is Christianity. It looks at what is happening on a micro-scale, to get an idea of what's really going on at a macro-scale. Here is "evidence" that Christ is not at all welcome in "Christian" circles, and if anyone ever did decide to actually "follow" Jesus, he would not at all be well-recieved in Christendom's domain, even if it just cyberspace.

By comparison, this thread also praises the moderation of Baron and his team of mods. Let us all count our blessings.

The following is based on a true story...er, as true as history can be.
 
So, I registered as Christ! , and introduced myself in the "Administration Office Intro" section, and made two or three other posts on the site.

I - my intro post - was immediately, within hours, taken to the Psychotherapy Room The Pshychotherapy Room can't be seen by unregistered visitors to the site. I was restricted from posting in that thread to responders. When I tried to respond, I got a *nasty note* which is exposed four posts down.

I was told by a mod in private message to change my name.
"We don't want anyone use the name of the Lord here", it said.

So I double checked the TOS and the "Campus Decorum" section, and could not see where I had broken any rules. But there I noticed the webmasters signed off with, "Thanks, Your TheologyWeb Overlords! :)

So I changed my name to Overlord! That way, they could not argue that I was breaking a rule about using the name of the Lord.

But by then it was too late. Within an hour after pm'ing me to change my name, they changed it to a number, user 19721. The mod also went into my profile and changed my "faith" designation from Christ! to "Christian (other)", and changed my "politics" profile from "I am Lord!" to "I am crazy". I was just glad she didn't mark me with the number of the beast! Well, somehow tall this moderation disabled the account so I couldn't post with or without their number.

Since I was not explicitly banned, I opened another account, Overlord!, and posted a thread, "Why username Christ! should not be banned"...in the Apologetics 301 forum. Within hours, that was taken to the Psychotherapy Room because it was discussing moderation. So I opened another thread titled, "Identity Theology...an apology"...in the Apologetics 301 forum. It opened with a single paragraph, promising answers to Identity Theology to anyone interested. That thread too was briskly swept away into the Psychotherapy Room.

Then they began to throw down the gavel, saying that I broke TOS by opening another account...and they banned me. I explained the situation, saying they had disabled my other account, and that I just wanted an account that worked, with which to post under the name Overlord! Somehow I convinced them to lift the ban, and roll Overlord! into one account that worked.

Thereafter, I opened no new threads, just commenting on topic. I started to answer comments on my "Why username Christ! should not be banned" thread in the Psychotherapy Room. After a while, the mod that told me not to use the Lord's name told me to stop posting in that thread. So I asked someone in the thread to open a thread for me in Apologetics 301 or Christianity 201. He said he would go with the first choice, because Christianity 201 was more for the "inside circle". I had no clue what he was talking about.

Other than posting under the correct heading, and staying on topic, I had no concept what "inside circle" could possibly mean on a website that advertizes on its banner, "We debate theology...seriously!". But then, how seriously can you take a theology site that involuntarily commits people to a Psychotherapy Room, and has other forums like "Game Room" and "Animal Husbandry". So I didn't bother to read the extra rules that come with each forum.

So I joined in discussions in the Christianity 201 thread and stayed on topic, generally answering open questions by the OP. I posted twice there. A day or two later, I get two pm's issuing me an "infraction" for violating Christianity 201 rules. Not one infraction, two infractions, one for each post. I got 1 point deducted for the first infraction, and two points deducted for the secong - repeat - infraction. So I read the rules as follows:

This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.

Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.

Ok, I'm a Christ Christian, who believes that Jesus was a man as much as any man is a man, and rose from the dead unlike any man because he was really the Son of God. But I suppose I fall short of the glory of the other requirements so I moved on...to "Theology 201".
 
This time, in "Theology 201" i decided to read the special rules...rules that go beyond just staying on topic ect. Here they are:

While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.

Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.


I believe that the Son of God made and unmade the whole world of time and mass in the blink of an eye. This viewpoint makes the regular theists look like atheists! So I figured I was good to go.

A contributed two on-topic posts and next day I was hit with two more "infractions", accumulating 7 more point deductions for repeat offenses. So I was banned...for two weeks!

A few hours after I was banned for two weeks, I got another email from another mod about my posts in the "Biblical Languages" forum citing me with another "infraction" worth 3 points. The reason he gave was: "Unorthodox, disruptive". So I looked at the special rules for that section, which read as follows:

This is where we come to delve into the biblical text. Theology is not our foremost thought, but we realize it is something that will be dealt with in nearly every conversation. Feel free to use the original languages to make your point (meaning Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic). This is an exegetical discussion area, so please limit topics to purely biblical ones.

This is not the section for debates between theists and atheists. While a theistic viewpoint is not required for discussion in this area, discussion does presuppose a respect for the integrity of the Biblical text (or the willingness to accept such a presupposition for discussion purposes) and a respect for the integrity of the faith of others and a lack of an agenda to undermine the faith of others.

It says nothing about "orthodox" interpretations, so I checked to see if I had strayed off of a biblical discussion. To the contrary, I found that I had posted to the OP's question about 1 John 3:2, and was arguing in favor of reading that passage in support of the atonement, which, I tried to explain, is the at-one-ment [joining, regathering, uniting] of all into the One Son of God.

Well, someone had challenged me, saying that we do not become the Son of God, but "like" him. And I made my case using other biblical text, including the text he floated to shoot me down. I may even have included a reference to the gospel of Thomas.

So the only other reason I could have gotten a three point "infraction" is because maybe the mod thought I was undermining the faith of others. Well of course I was! I was making a very strong case from their own scriptures! I can only guess that I made an enemy and got reported for undermining his faith in blood sacrifice for the perpetuation of many, instead of One reunited Son.

Normally, when a mod gets involved, they remove text they don't like and put up a big red flag. They'll send the removed text in the email. So, I was suprised to go back to that thread and find that the mod had removed perhaps five posts I had made in that thread - all of them - without leaving so much as a trace...gone...as if they never existed. He also added in his infraction notice, "Your time in TWeb will be limited if you do not respect moderation - I have noted that you have been told off for similar misdemeanours before."


"Told off"? So I wrote three replys, one for each set of "misdemeanours" from three sets of mods, the last one addressed to "to whom ever it may concern". I got an email back from the owner, or one of the owners of the website, which reads as follows...

This is the third such obsessive email in less than two hours. Do not email and harass my staff further. Your petition for appeal is denied. See you in two weeks. If you write back obsessively again, you will be banned for six months. I am tired of this nonsense. We are volunteers, and you take time away from people's families with this spamming.


Advice: Do not argue with me. I rarely get involved in moderation. If I am involved, that means that you are skating the edge, so don't push your luck.
 
So, I reread the three messages I sent to the mods to see if what I wrote warrented the label "obsessive" "spamming". Here are the three replies starting with the mod of "Biblical Languages 301":

Jnthn,
Look at the subject matter of my posts.
In this thread I am arguing in support of 1 John 3:2 and am using biblical text.
I interpret the text differently than others.
How does that warrant an infraction?
I am a theist who believes that Jesus was a man as much as any man is a man, died, and rose from the dead.
How is it am I not welcome?
I read the rules of this forum before posting.
How is it I am not fitting in?
Therefore, I did not see fit to copy my posts to my own hard drive becaues I never guessed that my arguments, which were entirely on topic and biblically based, would be deleted.
I see you have deleted all my posts in the thread, as if they never existed.
Would you be so kind as to at least return to me the other posts I have invested time and energy into?

Overlord!

Johnny,
I read the rules of the particular forum and am on topic and abiding by the rules.
I am a theist who believes that Jesus is as much a man as any man is a man, died like a man, and rose from the dead.
Why am I not welcome in this particular forum?
Someone is defining what "orthodox" means.
My teachings are authentic, and therefore technically orthodox.
If you don't think so, fine.
But you should not be banning me from the rest of the site for two weeks because of a controversy over what is orthodox.
You are treating both my posts in your section like two infractions, whereas I am just now recieving notice that you don't like my posts.
At least you should treat it like one infraction.
Better yet, none, for I have not done anything wrong.
If you don't want me in that section, just say so.
There's no way I can/will compromise my subject matter to fit in there,
and apparently no way to change your opinion of what is orthodox.
The orthodox viewpoint is simply the most populare one right now in chronological time.
It is the broad path.
Well, I'm just saying there is a narrow path, and that is a very biblical viewpoint.

Overlord!

To whom it may concern,
I post on topic, and according to campus decorum.
I teach authentic christianity, as it was taught by "the way" before Saul prosecuted it.
I believe Jesus was a as much a man as any man, and as much God as he said he was.
And I believe he died like men die and rose again...unlike men do.
Yet, some here don't think my views are orthodox enough.
What is orthodox, anyway?
The most popular?
I teach that christianity, as we know it popularily, is the broad path that Jesus warned us about.
I teach that it has been leavened by the leaven of the Pharisees...another thing Jesus warned us about.
Certainly, Paul was a student of Gamaliel, a pharisee, and I can point out exactly how Pharisee doctrine is incorporated into popular viewpoints about what is "the way".
And if these viewpoints persist, there is *no way* anyone can be saved by them.
So I am performing a service here, for which I am just now being censured.
My concern is this:
Apparently, you don't want me in certain sections of TheologyWeb, regardless my message is on topic.
Apparently, you are equating a controversy with disruptiveness.
And while controversy is explicitely welcome, disruptiveness is not.
I am now, all in one day, recieving multiple infractions, and it somehow adds up to two weeks ban by some point system.
Moderators are counting each post as an infraction, posted while I had full reason to believe I was within campus and also forum guidelines.
Forum guidelines are just now being revealed to me as forum mods interpret their guidelines.
Very well then, I shall not post in those sections.
My concern is that moderation is taking a disruptive, revengeful tone.
My first inclination that I was not within the subjective interpetation of mods came with MULTIPLE infractions.
Rather than given any grace period to first of all be informed, and secondly to redirect my posts, I have been tallied with enough "points" to be banned for two weeks from the entire site. ?!
How is that not disruptive or vengeful?
I post several times a day.
Mods apparently check once a day.
Therefore, all my infractions from yesterday should be treated as one infraction...or, to be fair, just a warning.
I could never have possibly guessed that this kind of censurship would be occuring on the web for on-topic posts.
You might want to think about moderating your moderation.
Controversy is explicitly welcome.
I am not controversial becaue it is explicitly welcome.
I am controversial by default...it is unavoidable...considering the uncompromising nature of truth.
Truth should be the guideing light, not what is most popular, and therefore "orthodox".
One would think that christians would want to at least have information that offers them the big picture...alternative ways of looking at things.
By this kind of moderation, you are limiting what a person/christian ought to think about his own religion...such that he has no chance to even think about it.
That's like a big red flag.
Do all the people in those restricted sections know that their content is being censured this way.
After all, those sections are called things like "Christianity", "Theology", and "Biblical Languages".
Certainly, I posted in those sections based on such headings.
If you are going to censure based on subjective judgement about what is orthodox or popular, than those sections should be renamed "Orthodox Christianity"...ect. so that they can clearly be distinquished from "Unorthodox" sections.
You can hardly expect someone who believes he is telling the truth about Christianity, or about Theology...to label himself "unorthodox".
Unpopular, yes!
Unorthox, no!
And because of this, you are not right to ban based on one day's worth of culling of posts in sections a truth telling theist ought to have every right to be in.
There were not many infractions.
There has been a singular misunderstanding...and not entirely one-sided.

I ask for forgiveness for these so-called crimes, real or imagined.
I ask to be reinstated today.

Thank you.

Overlord!
 
The following exchange, and others like it, is what got me a "misdemeanor" charge in the Biblical Languages 301 section. This "infraction" cost me three TheologyWeb points. Apparently, I disrespected the moderation...the mod, his rules...who knows what else. This was in a thread in which the OP was asking a question about 1 John 3:2, which reads:
1 John 3:2 (King James Version)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


---Quote (Originally by John Reece)---
The word is ὅìïéïò (homoios), which means to share the same nature, not to be the same person.Ephesians 4:9-16

And here was my reply, which was deleted along with my other posts in the thread:

---The "mature person" reference argues for more than just the same nature...but also the same person.

The Epheshians passage is describing the "atonement"...the gathering together...the re-one-ment of what was scattered and fragmented by "sin". It begins with a faith that gradually unifies...leading to knowledge...the knowledge of the Son of God. This is the "mature person" of "full stature". The "body" is a metaphor. Clearly, it speaks of one person. Xianity argues for unequal status within the one person. I argue that all aspects of the one person, are the same...of the same nature. So whether many or one, it is still one, because all aspects are the same. Oneness can hardly be understood outside of knowledge...in the realm of faith. We have to take it on faith at first. Indeed, Oneness is the only attribute that can unify faith.

The reference to "build up the body of Christ" is an echo of Jesus words: "Destroy this temple and I will raise it up again in three days". Jesus is the "firstfruits"...or, "firstborn from the dead". This places Jesus at the "head"...and the rest of the "body" to follow. In otherwords, the resurrection is not complete until the entire "body" is resurrected from the "dead".

But if you think this happens simultaneously for the entire body, you'd be mistaken. It happened to Jesus individually...chronologically first. Those who follow will, in turn, "rise up" or "awaken" in their turn, individually. This is echoed in the gospel of Thomas #23:
---Quote---
23. Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand, and they will stand as a single one."
---End Quote---


This does not mean that anyone will be left behind. It simply means that, chronologically, those who are resurrecting (awakening) are few and far between. This is supported by Jesus reference to a "narrow road". It is not an exclusive road. It is simply the road less traveled..at any given time. For if anyone could be left behind, then oneness would not be the truth.

To understand this, it must be understood that physical death is not any kind of decision...it is not any kind of change of mind...not any kind of "repentance". So it is worthless toward the ultimate goal of awakening. Rather, the appearance/experience of death is evidence that a mind is still asleep. For that is how Jesus defined death: "sleep".

Awakening is based upon a decision between a choice. Once the decision is made, one is "chosen". No one awakens before he is chosen to make up his mind. This is the essence of "repentance". It is a change of mind on a deep level. It requires practice just to be able to change one's mind at such a deep level. One must practice with the truth. And this is essentially the process of baptism.

To better understand the oneness to which the atonement leads us, I will borrow another statement from Paul:


---Quote---
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---End Quote---


"Christ is all" is key.
"Ye are all one" is key.

There are no people in Christ because people and persons is not the "nature" of Christ.
People and persons are of an unequal nature...separated...different each one from another.
This is the essence of "iniquity"..."sin"...inequality.
Inequality is the color of blood.
Not so "in Christ".
There are no special individuals in Christ.
Neither are there special body parts, as if each of us has a different function or purpose.
There are no spleens, kidneys, bones or flesh or blood...in Christ.
Christ is One Spirit...utterly unlimited...fully perfect.
*Our Father* has the ability to share his nature fully.
We can "accept" this...or resist it.
We resist it whenever we are more interested in individuality than oneness.
In fact, we are very afraid of losing our individuality, and would almost rather be crucified than lose it.
Do you see how losing individuality and "dying" are synonymous?
There is only one reason to resist the gift of God...the gift of equality...the gift of sharing his nature.
That reason is because we still cherish individuality which makes each of us special.
This "costs" us our original oneness...for the special must also be separate and different.
So we have "sacrificed" our oneness since before the foundation of the world.
And sacrificing oneness, we have sacrificed "Christ".
Therefore, the "atonement" is all about restoring...rebuilding...building up again what we destroyed with our "lust" and "greed" for "more" than "all".

Amen
 
The following is the *nasty note* I got when I tried to reply to responses to my introductory thread, "Christ! is in the house! ...your undivided attention please". That thread was moved, inexplicably, to the Psychotherapy Room. When I clicked to reply to someone's post, this is what I got instead:


Overlord!, you do not have permission to access this page. Try and try as you may this won't change because we have brilliantly determined that it could be one of any number of reasons. We have left it up as an exercise for the reader to figure out which are relevant.

1. You have committed the most heinous of acts against this website and have refrained from paying your annual dues to the TWeb Illuminati. Remedy this promptly. Start by going here.
2. You never hung out with the cool kids at school.
3. You didn't promptly pay due respect to someone with vast God-like™ powers.
4. You are DLW or a DLW-sympathizer and as such have not been hooked up with any of those previously mentioned vast God-like™ powers so you can't edit someone else's post, or make the rules here cause to much to your own chagrin you do not own this website.
5.We have decided that you have obsessively used "detente in the cultural wars" just one too many times and in leu of banning you to the highest mountain with an itchy sweater we came up with this error message.
6. We actually wake up in the morning thinking of these new ways to torture people with obnoxious errors like this. Unfortunately for you, you're our latest unlucky victim. Sucks to be you

If you figured out which one is relevant and it isn't reason #1. Our well documented and scientifically proven method of resolving this is by flapping your arms up and down repeatedly or brib...err paying your TWeb rent or doing your darndest to suck up to the big guy at ddw@theologyweb.com. Nasty emails about this error message to said big guy may result in this error message being viewed by you inevitably throughout the entire site.

Does anybody know what a "DLW" is?
 
Quote from I am...:

"Christ! is in the house! ...your undivided attention please".


That thread was moved, inexplicably, to the Psychotherapy Room.



Does anybody know what a "DLW" is?
That is just too hilarious.
They have a Psychotherapy Room for fucks sake.. a bunch of psychotics built themselves a Psychotherapy Room. Dear god that is funny .

"DL " stands for "Day Long" Iam, the "W" will be wanker.

..honestly , I hope for your sake you're just taking the piss with all this.
 
Jesus "vents"...:D

Dear Jesus,

It is a bad bad world out there.

Signed,

Michael the Archangel

P.s I enjoy your posts and it is nice that ET does offer you a forum.
 
Quote from I am...:

The following is the *nasty note* I got when I tried to reply to responses to my introductory thread, "Christ! is in the house! ...your undivided attention please". That thread was moved, inexplicably, to the Psychotherapy Room. When I clicked to reply to someone's post, this is what I got instead:




Does anybody know what a "DLW" is?

Whenever they remake braveheart you should play the crazy Irishmen/Jesus Freak.
 
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