How Gun Control Made England The 'Most Violent Country In Europe'

Cross-posted as promised.

How Gun Control Made England The 'Most Violent Country In Europe'

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by AWR Hawkins 24 Sep 2014 468 post a comment

Gun control in Britain passed in stages, beginning just after World War I and continuing in a reactionary fashion with increasing strictness through the 1990s.
When the final stage arrived in 1997, and virtually all handguns were banned via the Firearms Act, the promise was a reduction in crime and greater safety for the British people. But the result was the emergence of Britain as the "most violent country in Europe."

Britain began placing restrictions on gun ownership after World War I with the Firearms Act of 1920. The passage of this act was emotionally driven, based in part on the public's war-weariness and in part on the fear that an increased number of guns--guns from the battle field--would increase crime.

The Firearms Act of 1920 did not ban guns. Rather, it required that citizens who wanted a gun had to first obtain a certificate from the government. We see this same stage taking place in various places in the United States now, where a person who wants a firearm has to get a Fire Owner Identification Card (Illinois) or has to be vetted by police (Massachusetts) or both.

Thirteen years after the passage of the Firearms Act, British Parliament passed the Firearms and Imitation Firearms Bill, making the possession of a replica gun or a real one equally punishable unless the owner of either could show the lawful purpose for which he had it. (Sounds like California?) This was followed by the Firearms Act of 1937, which author Frank Miniter says"extended restrictions to shotguns and granted chief constables the power to add conditions to individual private firearm certificates."

In the U.S., police departments in Massachusetts play the role Britain's chief constables played and have final say on who can or can't own a firearm. On July 25, Breitbart News reported that that Massachusetts police were pressing for "sole discretion" on who could own a long gun; they already had such discretion over who could own a handgun. On August 1, they received the power they sought.

Britain continued to issue firearm certificates as World War II set in. But by the time the war was over, the gun control mindset had permeated society to a point where self-defense was no longer a valid reason to secure a certificate for gun ownership.

Guns were simply for sport or for hunting.

In 1987, Michael Ryan shot and killed sixteen people in Hungerford, including his mother. He wounded fourteen others, then killed himself. According to the Library of Congress, Ryan used "lawfully owned" rifles to carry out the attack. Nevertheless, his attack prompted the passage of more laws in the form of the Firearms Act of 1988. This act "banned the possession of high-powered self loading rifles" and "burst-firing weapons," and imposed "stricter standards for ownership" to secure a government certificate to own a shotgun.

In 1996, Thomas Hamilton walked into an elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and shot and killed "sixteen small children...and their teacher in the gym before killing himself." He brought two rifles and four handguns to carry out the attack. All six guns were legally owned: Hamilton had fully complied with gun control statutes.

The Firearm Act of 1997 was passed while emotions ran high. Gun control proponents push for an all-out ban on private gun ownership, in the much the same way that Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) reacted to the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary by trying to ban approximately 150 different guns.

Yet the Firearm Act did not ban all guns, "but served to essentially prohibit the ownership of handguns in Britain" and to make the acquisition of certificate to possess a long gun an onerous and time-consuming one. Much the same as the onerous and time-consuming process now burdening law-abiding DC residents seeking a gun in the home for self-defense.

And what has been the outcome of passing more laws in Britain to remedy the fact that other laws were ignored or broken? It has not been good.

In 2009, twelve years after the Firearms Act of 1997 was passed, Daily Mail Online reported that Britain was "the most violent country in Europe." They also reported that Britain's home figures showed "the UK [had] a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and South Africa."

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Ban gun ownership... then only criminals will have guns.

Ever hear of a police convention being shot up by a mass shooter?

Or, even a donut shop?

Hell NO!

Better yet... "Mandatory Carry" for all able bodied adults.... if you wanna see a drop mass shootings... or crime in general.
 
A credulous reader of this article, seeing "violent crime rising", and the couple of examples of mass shootings given, might be lead to believe that most violent crimes are mass shootings.
 
Most violent crimes are not mass shootings (the one type where possibly most would concede another opposing gun in the building would have been useful). So take Canada, a country with a lot of fistifuffs, but fewer mass shootings, per 100k people. What's the implication, more guns there, say at US levels, would be good, to bring the rate of fist fights down?
 
Great Britain is like the anti-texas. You don't even have the right to use deadly force if someone has broken into your house at night. An elderly farmer was prosecuted several years ago for shooting some thugs who had repeatedly broken into his house. As I recall he didn't even kill them, but he went to jail.

It's a different mindset, as we learned with that moron Piers Morgan. It must have been quite the culture shock to him to come here and find that people tend to think a home invader or violent criminal deserves to be shot dead.

We should't be so smug. We're a few House seats from getting the same mandatory gun confiscation here. The Diane Feinstein/Chuck Schumer/Mike Bloomberg approach would outlaw private firearm ownership. Of course, there would be exceptions for well-connected elites, who could do like the breathtakingly hypocritical Feinstein did and get a pistol permit for herself. Kind of like their approach to healthcare. One set of rules for us, another for them.
 
Most violent crimes are not mass shootings (the one type where possibly most would concede another opposing gun in the building would have been useful). So take Canada, a country with a lot of fistifuffs, but fewer mass shootings, per 100k people. What's the implication, more guns there, say at US levels, would be good, to bring the rate of fist fights down?

Can you show me that the "violent crimes" in the chart rating England the worst is a big fist fight problem?
 
Great Britain is like the anti-texas. You don't even have the right to use deadly force if someone has broken into your house at night. An elderly farmer was prosecuted several years ago for shooting some thugs who had repeatedly broken into his house. As I recall he didn't even kill them, but he went to jail.

It's a different mindset, as we learned with that moron Piers Morgan. It must have been quite the culture shock to him to come here and find that people tend to think a home invader or violent criminal deserves to be shot dead.

We should't be so smug. We're a few House seats from getting the same mandatory gun confiscation here. The Diane Feinstein/Chuck Schumer/Mike Bloomberg approach would outlaw private firearm ownership. Of course, there would be exceptions for well-connected elites, who could do like the breathtakingly hypocritical Feinstein did and get a pistol permit for herself. Kind of like their approach to healthcare. One set of rules for us, another for them.

Sir Peter Cadbury . . . told BBC Two's Newsnight programme: "A lot of my friends sleep with loaded guns under their beds and I don't think they can be criticised for doing that, because if they ring the police, it will be 35 to 40 minutes before a car gets there.

"I have had a loaded gun by my bed for the last 40 years, but in July last year, when a burglar took every piece of jewellery my wife had and my wallet and a lot else, he took the gun too."

He added that he had now armed himself with a crossbow instead, and said he would not hestitate to use it if a burglar broke in late at night.
 
Sir Peter probably wouldn't be prosecuted, unless he shot a minority. Old school tie chap type of thing, you know. An ordinary Brit would be in double trouble, one, for having a gun in the first place and two, for using it. I know liberals are comfortable in a system where justice, jobs, healthcare, etc depend on one's status as an elite or member in good standing of the political in crowd, but the rest of us find it revolting.
 
Sir Peter probably wouldn't be prosecuted, unless he shot a minority. Old school tie chap type of thing, you know. An ordinary Brit would be in double trouble, one, for having a gun in the first place and two, for using it. I know liberals are comfortable in a system where justice, jobs, healthcare, etc depend on one's status as an elite or member in good standing of the political in crowd, but the rest of us find it revolting.

Assuming that the "elderly farmer" you're referring to was Tony Martin, status had nothing to do with it. The facts of the case did not warrant acquittal. A similar case just resolved did warrant acquittal.
 
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