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How do you determine existence?
- Thread starter ShoeshineBoy
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Quote from I am...:
What is "scripture"? Define please.
Is it anything that is scripted?
Is it anything scripted that is really old?
Is it something written in Hebrew?
Is it anything that is written with a pen upon lambskin? Is it something written upon papyrus? Copper? Which is more true, lambskin or copper?
Let us define scripture as anything written as men were moved by the Holy Spirit.
How would you know the difference?
I am having the same situation with you as I did with the scribes and Pharisees.
They had scriptures. They revered scriptures.
Yet we disagreed on the meaning of scriptures.
How is that?
If you write without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.
If you read without the Holy Sprit, it has no meaning.
If you collect scriptures without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.
If you read a collection of scriptures collected without the Holy Spirit, it has no meaning.
The Holy Spirit leads you away from this world. Always.
You're motive determines whether you read or write with the Holy Spirit.
Your motive is to keep and sanctify this world...to find your place in it. That is not the motive of the Holy Spirit.
That is where you and the scribes and Pharisees agree, and where you and I disagree.
Jesus
you should be well aware that Jesus is described as "Faithful and True" Your constant ramblings have little connection with Christ.
Have you forgotten that Jesus told His disciples that Keeping the Law (scripture) was primary? And that not one jot not tittle would pass away until all would be fulfilled?
You are basically a dimestore apologist with little actual clue about what Jesus was about. But it is not a problem. You will have a long time in the afterlife in solitary confinement, to think about how clever you were...
Quote from I am...:
You are behaving like a hypnotized parrot.
And an Elitetrader poster claiming to be Jesus is normal?
Isaiah 53 does not describe me. It is not about me. That is the truth.
You should do a little study of the several hundred Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled in the New Testament. It has a far better batting average than yourself...
You are behaving like a hypnotized parrot.
And an Elitetrader poster claiming to be Jesus is normal?
Isaiah 53 does not describe me. It is not about me. That is the truth.
You should do a little study of the several hundred Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled in the New Testament. It has a far better batting average than yourself...
Quote from rcanfiel:
". . .Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth Me with their lips, but their heart is far from me." *** Mark 7:6
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
Except that Jesus was not created - 'AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity. ' (from Micah 5) [/B]
You are confusing the attributes of Jesus with the Son of God.
The son of man has a beginning and an end.
The Son of God is without beginning or end.
Man exists in time.
God lives in eternity.
Just because you don't undertand how the Son was created, doesn't mean he was not. That's the whole point of using Father/Son metaphor. It is not a creation that occurs in time.
This is important to understand because to confuse cause and effect would give rise to a world in which cause and effect are confused. Such is this world.
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
You should do a little study of the several hundred Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled in the New Testament. It has a far better batting average than yourself...
I'm serious. Isaiah 53 is not about me.
So you're batting average is going down.
I'll state the question again:
How are you able to tell the difference between men who are moved by the Holy Spirit vs. imaginative arcane literature?
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
Matthew 27:3-5 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You see to it!" Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.
This shows that the writer of Matthew does not understand the gospel.
How can anyone betray me if I already know what they are going to do?
The point is that I walked into the situation of my own free will. I got myself crucified. There is no one to blame.
Likewise, this world seems to betray us and crucify us. But there is no one to blame besides ourselves. We made the bed, we sleep in it, we awake from it.
This is the gospel.
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
14) Do people basically do good or bad? What is the passage that gives the definitive answer about how many people you have seen who do good?
Question: Those Romans who crucified me. Good or bad?
Question: What does "They know not what they do." mean to you?
If you don't know what you are doing, are you bad?
Are hypnotized parrots bad?
If I wasn't crucified, what would you understand about eternal life?
Was it bad that I was crucified?
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
you should be well aware that Jesus is described as "Faithful and True" Your constant ramblings have little connection with Christ.
Have you forgotten that Jesus told His disciples that Keeping the Law (scripture) was primary? And that not one jot not tittle would pass away until all would be fulfilled?
You are basically a dimestore apologist with little actual clue about what Jesus was about.
If I wasn't devoted, I wouldn't be here dealing with you.
If it's true I said that about the law, why were the Pharisees hot and bothered about the way I and my apostles conducted ourselves relative to it?
If that's true, why did Peter get a vision releasing him from observance of the dietary laws?
I tell you, I and my brethren are under no laws but God's.
Do you understand what are God's laws?
I thought not.
Man's laws are a dime a dozen.
âIn Jewish law we have 613 commandments. Three of those commandments have to do with a corpse: You canât get a benefit from a dead body, you canât cut into a dead body, and you canât delay burial of a dead body,â
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/ksgpress/bulletin/autumn2005/charles/cards.htm
How does this law square with your quest to buy life with my dead body?
Jesus
Quote from rcanfiel:
Have you forgotten that Jesus told His disciples that Keeping the Law (scripture) was primary? And that not one jot not tittle would pass away until all would be fulfilled?
What this means is that the Bible is not going to go away until you can read it properly. The word "fulfill" simply means to interpret.
Here I demonstrate how to interpret the ten commandments, using "graven image" as an example.
Now, if you will interpret the "law" this way, you will begin to take steps to keep the law, which is to abolish the body and return to Spirit. And while you are at it, abolish the entire world, for it too is a graven image...along with the Bible.
This is what it means to "renounce the world".
"Sell everything you have" means to completely disinvest all the value you have placed in this world. It is not a sacred place made by our Father. Prepare yourself to leave it entirely, forever. Nothing about this world is true. So go home already! Does the word "exodus" mean anything to you? The laws that matter are the laws that lead you out of this world.
The world is not a place that laws can fix and make pretty. This world is beyond repair, and not worth the effort to make it "work". It doesn't work! It never has, never will.
Abolish this world from your heart, and deprive it a place in your mind...and it will depart from you.
Love God with all your heart, and all your mind. Leave no place for graven images.
Jesus