hmm.no edges in the markets

Quote from bighog:

Who has looked into there average daily "take" from the days range?

A good well disciplined day trader with an "EDGE" defined and constructed by that individual only should be able to average approx. booking 1/2 of the daily range. That includes all whip-saw days that can be rough on the best of us. What douses the bad days are the runner (trend) days where we get more than 1/2 the intraday range.

Anyone that can get a consistent 1/2 booked on average is a really good trader. The key to hitting that nut is understanding what worked yesterday is out to fool you today. There are only a very select "action" moves that work for whatever your 'edge" is. Momentum works for me while chop eats me alive if I try to outsmart anything but momentum runners. True, at times the daily range can get rather punk which must be considered. (there are other toys to work in times of slack though if desired)

The days we get a bunch of handles, ticks are sweet, the days we see less workable moves are not to be discouraging because we know the average will be ok. The good news about tough days is we no longer give back profits, like in the beginning where a weeks charmed trading got trashed by being a fool.

An interesting stat would be if anyone that has been showing consistent profitable trading can feel good by knowing "ON AVERAGE" their trading has improved by booking larger and larger amounts of the days range............Not the amount of money made, that can always be improved by adding cars. But real improvement.

:eek:

BigHog... you nailed it.

Trading is not about capturing every last tick or top and bottom-ticking. It is about making money. Period. And that is done through capturing what the market offers. Capture 50% of the days range with (only) 2 cars and your take is 100% of what the market offered that day. Whether it's one trade or tens of trades doesn't matter. That is an accurate quantitative measurement of successful trading. And as you mention, one with opportunity for real improvement as a trader.

It's interesting your post is buried some 10+ pages back with no acknowledgements. Says something about ETs collective mind.

Trade On!
 
Quote from chimera:

all i see is gambling.

People that claim they have an edge...maybe 1;100 do for a very short time frame. One market....millions of traders..aint going to happen.

Has always been my contention, there are only 2 edges in the marketplace.. and both are illegal. Front-running, and trading on insider info.

Doesn't mean you can't trade profitably, but I agree with you... "there ain't no (legal) edge".
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Has always been my contention, there are only 2 edges in the marketplace.. and both are illegal. Front-running, and trading on insider info.

Doesn't mean you can't trade profitably, but I agree with you... "there ain't no (legal) edge".

Legal mutual fund timing is an edge that works.

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Those aren't edges, those are basically sure things. :D

Quote from Scataphagos:

Has always been my contention, there are only 2 edges in the marketplace.. and both are illegal. Front-running, and trading on insider info.

Doesn't mean you can't trade profitably, but I agree with you... "there ain't no (legal) edge".
 
so this am on "Tastytrade" Tom Preston of TOS said he/they had done a fairly intensive comparison of "edges" between 4 casino games being very generous with the casino games (assuming expert players) and trading short index options. Results:

Slots = ..............................................-10%
Craps (playing only don't pass line)...-1.36%
Black Jack (liberal rules)......................-.28%
Texas Holdem.....................................- .50%

vs..Short Index options taking adv of prob and vol....+4%
 
Quote from RichardRimes:
so this am on "Tastytrade" Tom Preston of TOS said he/they had done a fairly intensive comparison of "edges" between 4 casino games being very generous with the casino games (assuming expert players) and trading short index options. Results:

Slots = ..............................................-10%
Craps (playing only don't pass line)...-1.36%
Black Jack (liberal rules)......................-.28%
Texas Holdem.....................................- .50%

vs..Short Index options taking adv of prob and vol....+4%
They would say smth like that, wouldn't they? Somehow, I am a little skeptical about their conclusions...
 
Quote from stock777:

no bullshit after the fact posts, charts, tales of genius and profit.

post REALTIME calls, else, you're just a fraud or doing a good job impersonating one.

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I post my real-time stuff in one of the largest websites in the world... youtube. Not a little message-board sandbox :)


Can you post a link to your your tube material. Thanks!
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

Can you post a link to your your tube material. Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/user/CMTrades

If this violates ET no-advertising policy, please delete post mods and accept my sincere apology. Anyone can watch the videos and take from them what they may.

The past ten (10) sessions of live-trading recorded, wins and losses, are meant to example many things. One of which being it's ok to not trade every price wiggle, all day every day & night. Another being it's part of the business to have losing trades and losing days. It is week over month results that matter.

By no means to I mean to insult or disparage elitetrader in the prior post: but reality is, live trade calls inside this specific forum is not the pinnacle apex of sole truth in the financial world.

Just because someone's doesn't post live calls here in whatever semblance of real-time the timestamps are, does not mean it never happened in the real world at all. This is one place for traders to post... there are others, too :)
 
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