High LDL Cholesterol Is Not A Health 'Problem' & Other Facts

Thunderdog · Feb 3, 2009

Quote from killthesunshine:

'well balanced"? what does that mean? i am too lazy to look further so i'll eat less of what they say is bad for me (but i really don't know the difference) so it's just a big compromise that i hope doesn't hurt me in long run?

get off your azz, stand for smthg

Please be advised that your dogma is barking and disturbing the neighbors. Kindly muzzle and leash your pet theories.

killthesunshine · Feb 3, 2009

Quote from Thunderdog:

Please be advised that your dogma is barking and disturbing the neighbors. Kindly muzzle and leash your pet theories.

those that straddle the fence are sterile

they have little to offer up

FortuneTeller · Feb 3, 2009

Quote from killthesunshine:

those that straddle the fence are sterile

Real men eat meat. If you want to lower your male hormones to that of a woman, then go ahead and eat vegan. I believe cholesterol is used to make testosterone.

REAL MEN EAT MEAT

stock_trad3r · Feb 3, 2009

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Humans were not designed to consume cow's milk. Stay away from the stuff.

Avoid wheat if you can, too.

And never, ever eat soy.

High blood levels of any cholesterol (LDL, specifically) as a 'problem' is one of the biggest medical scams of all time - horseshit spread by cardiologists and big pharma to rake in uber profits on the biggest selling chemicals (statins) in the history of the fraudulent med/pharma racket.

That is all.

it is all overrated. The #1 killer for those under 80 is now cancer and not heart disease.

resinate · Feb 5, 2009

From what I read, this is not because less people have less heart disease. Rather, its because fewer die of heart attacks (due to better emergency care) and medical care's improved ability to keep people alive with chronic heart disease.

Living with heart disease is better than dying of it but its not something trivial.

Quote from stock_trad3r:

it is all overrated. The #1 killer for those under 80 is now cancer and not heart disease.

killthesunshine · Feb 5, 2009

Quote from resinate:

From what I read, this is not because less people have less heart disease. Rather, its because fewer die of heart attacks (due to better emergency care) and medical care's improved ability to keep people alive with chronic heart disease.

Living with heart disease is better than dying of it but its not something trivial.

Heart disease remains the #1 killer in US..and worldwide

http://www.cdc.gov/DHDSP/announcements/american_heart_month.htm

Every population or culture that eschews their traditional low fat plant diet for 'Western' high sat fat/cholesterol animal diet begins to die prematurely too.

Cancer too is closely tied to a diet high in animal products :eek:

DataCruncher · Feb 13, 2009

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Humans were not designed to consume cow's milk. Stay away from the stuff.

Avoid wheat if you can, too.

And never, ever eat soy.

High blood levels of any cholesterol (LDL, specifically) as a 'problem' is one of the biggest medical scams of all time - horseshit spread by cardiologists and big pharma to rake in uber profits on the biggest selling chemicals (statins) in the history of the fraudulent med/pharma racket.

That is all.

what is wrong with wheat and soy?

DataCruncher · Feb 13, 2009

Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Good question.

Honest physicians who have substantive knowledge on cardiovascular health are coming forward to state that to the extent that statins (the older gen) reduce cardiovascular events and mortality, it is only to the extent that they act as cardiovascular anti-inflammatory agents.

As to the newest generation of statins, which were basically developed and adopted to allow pharma companies patents on new "improved" meds (Crestor, Zetia, Vytorin) when older ones went off patent and were able to be produced as generics, there is a growing and substantive body of empirical evidence that they are actually dangerous, and increase the risk of adverse cardiovascular events and mortality.

The main claim that I am making based on some of the most credible medical studies to date, despite big pharma attempts to downplay the news, is that overall cholesterol scores, and even LDL cholesterol scores, have little if any bearing, in and of themselves, on one's risk of suffering cardiovascular disease. The 'numbered benchmarks' for total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels are possibly arbitrary (likely arbitrary).

Drawing a nexus between blood cholesterol levels and cardiovascular disease is a flawed endeavor. Some or even many people who have poor cardiovascular health may also have high levels of total cholesterol, but the latter does not cause the former. It is an incidental condition.

Cardiovascular disease is primarily an inflammatory condition, not one caused by cholesterol.

what causes the inflammation that causes cardiovascular disease?

killthesunshine · Feb 16, 2009

Quote from DataCruncher:

what causes the inflammation that causes cardiovascular disease?

No one knows for sure exactly what causes 'inflammation' or even what it is exactly, but whatever it is PLANTS don't cause it.

ANIMAL products such as MEAT, processed meats, high trans and sat fat consumption always test higher for this inflammation.

do you want to roll the dice with odds in your favor or crap out!
:eek:

trendlover · Feb 16, 2009

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what causes the inflammation that causes cardiovascular disease?

What science finds today is this. Inflammation is normal part of the body. Inflammation happens so to fight infection and injury, and then it should (turn off) when the infection or injury is healed.
When inflammation happens the body release prostaglandins
These prostaglandins can turn on, or turn off inflammation response.
Omega 6 fatty acids (TURN ON) Inflammation
Omega 3 fatty acids (TURN OFF) Inflammation
People need both of these fatty acids in (good balance)..remember body has to turn on inflammation to fight infection, but has to turn off too.
Now science think that heart disease is inflammation related, just like arthritis. And science think that what is happening to some people is inflammation is never shut off, but always running on low. And these infection fighting inflammation start to attack the body cells in a bad way when they never shut off.
Why? Why does inflammation not shut off? Science think the balance of (omega 6 -turn on inflammation) to (omega 3 turn off inflammation) is changed from the food we eat. Trans fat interfere with the processing of omega 3...so now omega 6 is working, but omega 3 is not. Now we have inflammation running all the time, and that is not good.
Saturated fat (DOES NOT) interfere with omega 3.
Fast food, processed food,packaged food has a ratio of 15-1 with omega 6 -15 and omega 3- 1.
Not balanced, so inflammation stays on.
Avoid trans fat, processed foods and high sugar intake.
Eat vegetables, fruit, nuts, whole grains, fish and meat.
This is what science knows today. Like buylow/sellhi say, science has errors, but right now this is what looks to be the problem in heart disease, and not cholesterol so much as before.