High court to take new look at partisan electoral districts

1. Look at it from a govt control of your life stand point. Did it matter after the World War 2 to East Germans if they were controlled by Hitler or Stalin? When govt controls you it does not matter if the govt is identified as far left or far right. Venezuela and Cuba still suck even though they are on the left.

this is the 70s the free speech movement...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Movement

This is the left today...
the anti conservative speech movement...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...lawsuit-will-pay-70-000-to-conservative-group


2. You have been taught this before... todays liberals are nothing like classical liberals.
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanization and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.[1][2][3] Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on the classical economic ideas espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5]utilitarianism,[6] and progress.[7] The term "classical liberalism" was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[8]


Evolution of core beliefs[edit]
Core beliefs of classical liberals included new ideas—which departed from both the older conservative idea of society as a family and from the later sociological concept of society as complex set of social networks. Classical liberals believe that individuals are "egoistic, coldly calculating, essentially inert and atomistic"[9] and that society is no more than the sum of its individual members.[10]

Classical liberals agreed with Thomas Hobbes that government had been created by individuals to protect themselves from each other and that the purpose of government should be to minimize conflict between individuals that would otherwise arise in a state of nature. These beliefs were complemented by a belief that laborers could be best motivated by financial incentive. This belief led to the passage of the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834, which limited the provision of social assistance, based on the idea that markets are the mechanism that most efficiently leads to wealth. Adopting Thomas Robert Malthus's population theory, they saw poor urban conditions as inevitable, they believed population growth would outstrip food production and they regarded that consequence desirable because starvation would help limit population growth. They opposed any income or wealth redistribution, which they believed would be dissipated by the lowest orders.[11]

Drawing on ideas of Adam Smith, classical liberals believed that it is in the common interest that all individuals be able to secure their own economic self-interest. They were critical of what would come to be the idea of the welfare state as interfering in a free market.[12]Despite Smith’s resolute recognition of the importance and value of labor and of laborers, they selectively criticized labour's group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights[13] while accepting corporations' rights, which led to inequality of bargaining power.[14][15]

Classical liberals argued that individuals should be free to obtain work from the highest-paying employers while the profit motive would ensure that products that people desired were produced at prices they would pay. In a free market, both labor and capital would receive the greatest possible reward while production would be organized efficiently to meet consumer demand.[16]

Classical liberals argued for what they called a minimal state, limited to the following functions:

  • A government to protect individual rights and to provide services that cannot be provided in a free market.
  • A common national defense to provide protection against foreign invaders.[17]
  • Laws to provide protection for citizens from wrongs committed against them by other citizens, which included protection of private property, enforcement of contracts and common law.
  • Building and maintaining public institutions.
  • Public works that included a stable currency, standard weights and measures and building and upkeep of roads, canals, harbors, railways, communications and postal services.[17]
They asserted that rights are of a negative nature, and therefore stipulate that other individuals (and governments) are to refrain from interfering with the free market, opposing social liberals who assert that individuals have positive rights, such as the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to health care and the right to a living wage. For society to guarantee positive rights, it requires taxation over and above the minimum needed to enforce negative rights.[18][19]

Core beliefs of classical liberals did not necessarily include democracy or government by a majority vote by citizens because "there is nothing in the bare idea of majority rule to show that majorities will always respect the rights of property or maintain rule of law".[20] For example, James Madison argued for a constitutional republic with protections for individual liberty over a pure democracy, reasoning that in a pure democracy a "common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole...and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party".[21]

In the late 19th century, classical liberalism developed into neo-classical liberalism, which argued for government to be as small as possible to allow the exercise of individual freedom. In its most extreme form, neo-classical liberalism advocated Social Darwinism.[22]Right-libertarianism is a modern form of neo-classical liberalism.[22]

You’re such a confused person you can’t understand that things like postal roads and government funded water projects were just as radical of thoughts as social security.

What you’re saying is that an iPhone isn’t a phone because it isn’t the same model as the phone Alexander graham bell invented because it evolved over time.

So-called classical liberalism is NOT the same liberalism as the liberalism of the founding fathers. Just the same way Buckley’s conservatism isn’t the same as Burke’s.

You have a poor and superficial understanding of the principles of liberalism and the government of the United States. Not only that you have a poor understanding of political thought and government itself as you continually try to claim liberalism and fascism is near the same.

I’m sorry you’re confused because you seem to have a real interest in this but your arguments are as stupid as people who argue the Dixiecrats are representative of the democrat party today.

If you wish to live in ignorance, have at it but you might find some satisfaction if you actually applied yourself and educated yourself more.
 
I am surprised you just make up shit and post while ignorant of US political History. Seriously I a going to point out how badly you made things up... But... you are fricken out of you mind if you think our founders favored big powerful govt. They rebelled against remote powerful govt. The Boston Tea Party was a revolt against taxation and remote powerful govt. They created a constitution for the people... in which the federal govt was only to have power over a few areas of life.

Here is the proof you have it wrong and need to re learn you history.


1. Usual Name just wrote... "You’re such a confused person you can’t understand that things like postal roads and government funded water projects were just as radical of thoughts as social security.

TJustice Response...

Not only did our founders realize those things were proper govt functions... but Postal roads are a specifically "eunumerated" as power of the Federal Govt.

Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution... (see the underline below..).


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.





You’re such a confused person you can’t understand that things like postal roads and government funded water projects were just as radical of thoughts as social security.

What you’re saying is that an iPhone isn’t a phone because it isn’t the same model as the phone Alexander graham bell invented because it evolved over time.

So-called classical liberalism is NOT the same liberalism as the liberalism of the founding fathers. Just the same way Buckley’s conservatism isn’t the same as Burke’s.

You have a poor and superficial understanding of the principles of liberalism and the government of the United States. Not only that you have a poor understanding of political thought and government itself as you continually try to claim liberalism and fascism is near the same.

I’m sorry you’re confused because you seem to have a real interest in this but your arguments are as stupid as people who argue the Dixiecrats are representative of the democrat party today.

If you wish to live in ignorance, have at it but you might find some satisfaction if you actually applied yourself and educated yourself more.
 
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I am surprised you just make up shit and post while ignorant of US political History. Seriously I a going to point out how badly you made things up... But... you are fricken out of you mind if you think our founders favored big powerful govt. They rebelled against remote powerful govt. The Boston Tea Party was a revolt against taxation and remote powerful govt. They created a constitution for the people... in which the federal govt was only to have power over a few areas of life.

Here is the proof you have it wrong and need to re learn you history.


1. Usual Name just wrote... "You’re such a confused person you can’t understand that things like postal roads and government funded water projects were just as radical of thoughts as social security.

TJustice Response...

Not only did our founders realize those things were proper govt functions... but Postal roads are a specifically "eunumerated" as power of the Federal Govt.

Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution... (see the underline below..).


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

You are truly a moron. Go back and read what I wrote a few times and see if the few brain cells you have left can spark some understanding.

You don’t understand limited government meant at the time not big government that can’t provide things like postal roads, limited government in that it did not infringe on natural rights. Hence the bill of rights.

Big government like a social security program or federal projects for the common good is a misunderstanding. The constitution never limited what programs the congress can fund for the American people it limited the government’s ability to infringe on natural rights. The constitution is the social contract between the people and government.

Take for instance the current nationalist movement running through the right wing. Nationalism is abhorrent to our founding principles. The bill of rights is the protections against nationism. It’s based in negativism of governmental power to protect the individual because —- wait it it —- the state should never be above the individual in America.

Another example is the separation of church and state. The right wing in America are pushing religious views on things like abortion and criminal law but that is against our founding principles.
 
You ignorant lying leftist...

The Bill of Rights has a 10th amendment. The founders specifically said Congress can't do anything unless it was specifically enumerated in Section 8... (which I quoted verbatim above) There were about 17 items but many of them were part of one subject area. Outside of the those area the govt had no power to legislate or exercise power. So as far as the founders were concerned you are dead ass wrong. The set up a limited Federal Govt.
10th amendment...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You bullshitted...

The constitution never limited what programs the congress can fund for the American people it limited the government’s ability to infringe on natural rights. The constitution is the social contract between the people and government.

2. I can not believe the lie you just bullshitted about nationalism ... You have truly polluted mind... Our founders were supremely nationalist. They created a nation to protect individual rights from Kings and empires. You truly have a fucked up understanding of history. The people needed America a safehaven for natural rights against powerful govt.

Soon the French followed in their rebellion. I seriously can not belief you don't know this or you are so deceitful. Every you are writing is the exact opposite of fact yet you write ad homs. You are either truly fucking dumb or Stalin like in your duplicity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_nationalism

American nationalism or United States nationalism is a form of civic nationalism[1] found in the United States.[2] Essentially, it indicates the aspects that characterize and distinguish the United States as an autonomous political community. The term often serves to explain efforts to reinforce its national identity and self-determination within their national and international affairs.[3] American scholars such as Hans Kohn state that the United States government institutionalized a civic nationalism founded upon legal and rational concepts of citizenship, being based on common language and cultural traditions.[2] The Founding Fathers of the United States established the country upon classical liberal and individualist principles, although forms of ethnic nationalism were sometimes promoted until the civil rights movement.[1]




You are truly a moron. Go back and read what I wrote a few times and see if the few brain cells you have left can spark some understanding.

You don’t understand limited government meant at the time not big government that can’t provide things like postal roads, limited government in that it did not infringe on natural rights. Hence the bill of rights.

Big government like a social security program or federal projects for the common good is a misunderstanding. The constitution never limited what programs the congress can fund for the American people it limited the government’s ability to infringe on natural rights. The constitution is the social contract between the people and government.

Take for instance the current nationalist movement running through the right wing. Nationalism is abhorrent to our founding principles. The bill of rights is the protections against nationism. It’s based in negativism of governmental power to protect the individual because —- wait it it —- the state should never be above the individual in America.

Another example is the separation of church and state. The right wing in America are pushing religious views on things like abortion and criminal law but that is against our founding principles.
 
You ignorant lying leftist...

The Bill of Rights has a 10th amendment. The founders specifically said Congress can't do anything unless it was specifically enumerated in Section 8... (which I quoted verbatim above) There were about 17 items but many of them were part of one subject area. Outside of the those area the govt had no power to legislate or exercise power. So as far as the founders were concerned you are dead ass wrong. The set up a limited Federal Govt.
10th amendment...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You bullshitted...

The constitution never limited what programs the congress can fund for the American people it limited the government’s ability to infringe on natural rights. The constitution is the social contract between the people and government.

2. I can not believe the lie you just bullshitted about nationalism ... You have truly polluted mind... Our founders were supremely nationalist. They created a nation to protect individual rights from Kings and empires. You truly have a fucked up understanding of history. The people needed America a safehaven for natural rights against powerful govt.

Soon the French followed in their rebellion. I seriously can not belief you don't know this or you are so deceitful. Every you are writing is the exact opposite of fact yet you write ad homs. You are either truly fucking dumb or Stalin like in your duplicity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_nationalism

American nationalism or United States nationalism is a form of civic nationalism[1] found in the United States.[2] Essentially, it indicates the aspects that characterize and distinguish the United States as an autonomous political community. The term often serves to explain efforts to reinforce its national identity and self-determination within their national and international affairs.[3] American scholars such as Hans Kohn state that the United States government institutionalized a civic nationalism founded upon legal and rational concepts of citizenship, being based on common language and cultural traditions.[2] The Founding Fathers of the United States established the country upon classical liberal and individualist principles, although forms of ethnic nationalism were sometimes promoted until the civil rights movement.[1]

You serve as proof that stupid can’t be fixed.
 
Below is how a lefty responds when he gets the constitution wrong twice in one thread. (not to mention American history.)

You have a reading comprehension problem. Go back and re-read what you got wrong then get back to me.
 
I read it again because a year ago you earned the time with thoughtful comments. Although you comments have devolved lately.

1. On nationalism... you seemed confused about what it means because the liberal press is attempting to confuse you. Nationalism is not Nazism as many on the left pretend.
Nationalism is about independence and sovereignty. Its Britain over the EU. Its the U.S. of some conceding our rights to international bodies. Its home rule. Its exactly what the founders promoted. They rebelled against the kinds taxes. They rebelled against the kings rule. They set up a nation with a constitution. They even created tariffs to protect jobs and encourage our industries to grow. That is nationalism.

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
  1. patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
    synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, flag-waving, xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism
    "their extreme nationalism was frightening"
    • an extreme form of this, especially marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
      plural noun: nationalisms
    • advocacy of political independence for a particular country
2. For all intents an purposes in every article I have presented to you the founding fathers were either classical liberals or they were the progenitors of the concepts within classical liberalism.
I have proven to you over an over classical liberalism is most closely followed by libertarians and conservatives. I have not seen one article pretending todays left has much in common with the founding fathers.

So I re-read your arguments. They were confused and muddled.
 
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