Quote from dddooo:
I am not familiar with the lavon affair (gosh it was 60 years ago), there were three Israeli and 10 OFFICIAL american investigations into the USS Liberty incident, all of them OFFICIALLY concluded that it was an honest mistake and an accident, not a deliberate attack. You are big on OFFICIAL positions, aren't you, so this should certainly convince you that your facts are bogus and you're full of shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Your unabated recourse to insults alludes to the fact that you're aware you are inconsistent and are feeling under pressure to prove a point. That you are not aware of the Lavon affair does not cancel its existence. Answer the question, like a man, were you right or wrong, when you commented that:
"Fact: Israel has committed terrorist acts against British and American interests in the past to gain support from both these countries and to distort truth in their favour."
was:
Two bad you other "Facts" are just as bogus.
and then later confirmed my question as to whether you thought they were all incorrect:
In your previous post about facts your "facts " were all wrong
So, presuming you have read about the Lavon affair, do you accept that you were wrong? Do you accept that your conjecture regarding this point was incorrect? Consequently meaning that your opinion is based on personal bias? You do not reference facts before you make comment? Hence why your posts are less valuable than had you bothered to educate yourself on these matters before engaging your fingers?
Are you saying that an Israeli general, who fought the 6 day war, knows less than you about how that war came about? Really? What, what? No, surely not?
On May 22, Egypt announced that the Straits of Tiran would be closed to "all ships flying Israel flags or carrying strategic materials", with effect from May 23.[35] Also, Nasser stated, "Under no circumstances can we permit the Israeli flag to pass through the Gulf of Aqaba."
on May 18 the Egyptian Foreign Minister informed nations with troops in UNEF that the UNEF mission in Egypt and the Gaza Strip had been terminated and that they must leave immediately, and Egyptian forces prevented UNEF troops from entering their posts.
On the same day, Nasser proclaimed: "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not of more declarations."
"In June 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan massed their troops on Israel's borders in preparation for an all-out attack." Mideast 101: The Six Day War, CNN website. URL accessed May 14, 2006.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Since you fancy quoting wikipedia as fact, the situation I was refering to was the escalation of tensions upto that point. I'm hoping you are aware of Gen Moshe Dayan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan
Quote from the above:
Gen Dayan said
In a 1976 interview by Israeli journalist Rami Tal, Dayan claimed that 80 percent of the cross-border clashes between Israel and Syria in the years before the war were a result of Israeli provocation. He said, "I made a mistake in allowing the [Israeli] conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time."
You can see that according to an impecable source, who is not likely to be biased to the Syrians, that Israel liked to instigate aggression looking for a reaction so that they can have an excuse to obtain land.
Do you disbelieve Gen Dayan too, who's story matches strikingly complaints made by the Syrians at that time?
Again, until that is done, I was right and you were wrong. Consensus is that they are not terrorists. At this present time, I am right, and you are wrong. You are clearly wrong. Check wikipedia for yourself. You are flogging a dead horse with this one. Note that I have made it already clear that I will think for myself, not necessarily what my government forces me to think. My point in this instance, was that overwhelming opinion at this present time, is that hizbollah are not terrorists. End of story. You're wrong, are you man enough to accept it?
re Mossad agents in NY arrested day of 911 attack
Check documentaries with interviews with both Mossad and FBI, neither deny Mossad agents were arrested and released without charge. Neither deny they were arrested in a van that was seen earlier by witnesses with men using binoculars to watch the incident. What this amounts to, is anyones guess. But the fact remains, it happened, and you denied, whereas now you are saying they were warning the US government. I was not and am not going into what they were doing there, just that they
were there. As was the removals company which was a front for a Mossad team. Mossad do not deny that this team was there. Something you are now agreeing with me. Does this indicate you now agree to this point then, and that it's not "bogus"?
But then again, you already said, you can't be bothered with reading, you can't be bothered with facts either, you're entitled to your own facts.
You made this into a pissing match, trying to disprove certain items that are fact, and are now trying a u turn on it, using excuses such as "I didn't know about that" and "they were there for a different reason". You made up your facts as you went along, and are now reverting to what I had said from the beginning, all the while using insults (you'll note I've refrained from that, I haven't even had a pop at your nationality in retaliation to where you have mine).
Answer me one question, why are you so hostile to the truth? Are you Israeli or Jewish, and do you think the outing of the truth is beneficial or detrimental to Israel? I personally think if Israel can come to terms with some of its wrongs, it will go a long way towards obtaining this much needed peace. Israel is a young country (remember it started off with terrorist activities in order to get what it wanted, read stern gang) that will grow and learn. But to put its head in the sand is not good for anyone, least of all the true peace desiring Israeli's who have had enough of the fighting. Israel owes it to its people to secure peace for them, a war every few years does not achieve that, and never will.
