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No one can obfuscate and confuse things as well as the brits do so let me get back to your first post and set the record straight.
You're trying to make me bite, and I won't. I will not lower myself to have curse Americans in retaliation to your Brit remarks, and to your personal remarks. Note that.
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Fact: Israel has committed terrorist acts against British and American interests in the past to gain support from both these countries and to distort truth in their favour.
No, that's not a fact. Even if you consider the Lavon Affair (which did not kill anyone and took place 52 years ago in 1954) - even in that case it's one terrorist act (not terrorist acts as you claimed). And again it happened more than half a century ago in a totally different era.
We are going round in circles. Israel committed a terrorist act against British and American interests. End of story. Whilst you may massage your ego by claiming it was a different arena. It still happened. If you wish to dismiss this, then that is your perogative, we'll leave it at that, and allow other readers to make their mind up on this matter. You are calling white black, and it is evident to all but yourself.
Well, you have been quoted Gen Dayan's account of how things happened, and are not happy to accept that. This you call opinions, and speculation, which is the same as saying any of hizbollah's attacks are opinions and speculation, and so on and so forth, this can apply to every account, including whether we really exist, or are each a figment of our own imaginations. Fact is, a top General, who is in a unique position to comment, has stated Israel aggravated their neighbour. Closer to seeing it yourself, you will not get.Quote from dddooo:
Fact: Israel is not blameless in its wars with Syria which culminated in the 1967 war.
That' not a fact, while most likely true (no one is ever absolutely and completely blameless) - that's a matter of opinions and speculation.
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Fact: Israel fought to ensure water from Syria and Jordan were redirected to their growing settlements.
That's not a fact.
Have you read about the Jordanian river and how it was redirected to Israel? Explain the events there, and then I will at least take on board your opinion.
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Fact: A lot of Americans know jack shit about the ME, talk irrationally from their proverbial backsides, and think every MEer wants to take away his life, for no other reason than he is an American. Think about how freaking stupid that is, and you'll see why some of us Brits dont view you as "worldly".
That's certainly a fact, a lot of Americans know jack shit about the ME, a lot of brits know jack shit about the ME as well and BBC is just as biased as Foxnews.
Fact: It ain't so just because your gov'ment or mine says so.
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I don't disagree with you there, except Fox news is more biased than the BBC. But in general the media are often full of rubbish.
another circular point that we'll not agree upon. Whatever you may state about what whomsoever may "think" they are terrorists, they are not on official lists. This is a yes or no situation. Are they on official lists, or not. No they are not.Quote from dddooo:
Fact: 3 countries in the entire world think hizbollah are terrorists. 190 think not. Concensus, they are not terrorists.
That's not a fact, three countries have them on their official terrorist lists, several more countries have Hezbollah's militant branch on their terrorist lists, 98% of the EU parliament do think they are terrorists.
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Fact: The governments in both the USA and the UK are the biggest threat to all our freedoms. Blair says:"the muslims are opposed to our way of life and our freedoms". No shithead, YOU are!
That's not a fact, that's nonsense not even worth responding to (and I am not Bush's fan by any stretch of imagination).
Just to clarify the shithead comment was at Tony Blair, not you. You may not agree, but you cannot deny we have less freedoms, call it what you want, but to me, living in a country that was being terrorised by the IRA, we had never succumb and lost our freedoms. We are going through a situation where we will have ID cards, that no one wants and black boxes in our cars. I understand the Patriot Act is quite "interesting"! Not sure if you are familiar with it.
Why are you nitpicking a simple point, I never said nobody was happy, I said most muslim countries condemned it, especially referencing hizbollah. This is true, hence your allegation that all my points were "bogus" doesn't stand.Quote from dddooo:
Fact: The 911 atrocity was condemned by the majority of the muslim countries, including hizbollah. But that does not suit yours or my countries propoganda machines, so its not reported.
First it actually WAS reported, second the muslim governments condemned it while their subjects (especially in arab countries) were dancing in the streets.
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Fact: The 911 atrocity was also investigated completely, useful as the "required" precursor to kick off events that were needed to secure oil.
That's not a fact, that's a conspiracy theory.
Fact: Mossad agents were arrested at the time of the 911 atrocity, apparently seen watching with binoculars and cheering at the time of impact. A Mossad operation was uncovered and later closed down after the event.
That's not a fact that's a conspiracy theory.
Nope thats a fact, I'm sure you can check that out yourself, there are plenty of sources to obtain information from, not least documentaries quoting FBI spokepersons. Please research it before you dismiss it out of hand.
Yes they are in my country every day certain freedoms are being eroded. You will not be able to obtain a passport in several months without giving biometric information that they require. You will have to pay for an ID card costing nearly $200, without a choice!Quote from dddooo:
Fact: Most people just want to live in peace, but unfortunately it is not in the interest of governments not to have a bogey man out there, if it were the muso's, it'd be some other big bad enemy. Whilst of course enemies will exist, none of them are on a grand enough scale to justify such blatant removal of freedoms as the ID card, such as the practical outlawing of cash, such as proposed black boxes in everyones cars. Where will it end, when we are chipped, and are awarded "credits" to our "accounts" on the national register?
While that's technically true I am not sure what exactly you're talking about, no one is removing freedoms, no one is outlawing cash or installing black boxes in cars in this country, maybe in yours they are.
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Oh and I nearly forgot, however you call it, hizbollah handed Israel their ass in combat, even the Israeli soldiers were surprised and commented on how effective they were. The myth of the infallible Israeli army has been reversed.
That's not a fact, Hezbollah did better than expected, israel did worse than expected but that's a far cry from "handing Israel their ass in combat". Don't forget that 15,000 UN troops and 15,000 Lebanese troops are going to occupy Southern Lebanon, Beirut's shia neighborhoods are in ruins, I suspect that's more than what Nazrallah bargained for, if this is how Hezbollah wins I don't want to know how they lose.
hizbollah, on the ground, were stronger than the Israeli army. In Bint Jbeil, they were handed their ass. I'm sure they wouldn't disagree. Their most elite unit, couldn't even run away effectively, such was the ferociousness of the hizbollah attack.
I doubt there is little point continue this to fro, you will argue white is black and indulge in Brit bashing. We will never see eye to eye on this matter, so best let it lie. I don't care for the insults either, and refuse to entertain it, nor retaliate.