Some people also believe that they should and must not just defend themselves but attack others, spread their religion or their beliefs by force, destroy their "enemies" because they don't believe they should exist, forcefully convert or kill political or religious opponents. These are things you somehow forgot to mention together with the fact that these people are not jews and are not christians...
Hezbollah is still
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What you just stated perfectly describes the structure and inclination of.........
The USA.
Israel.
Arab Muslims and the representatives of their various ideologies.
And these people ALL have the right to choose their own ways to accomplish their goals.
Killing is wrong.
By interpretation, killing is right.
Oppression is wrong.
By interpretation, oppression is right.
People interpret what's best for them. People have the right to interpret what's best for them.
I'm pretty certain, at best the world's court is divided amongst such issues.
That does not mean the USA / Israel is right.
That does not mean Arab Muslims are right.
Iconoclast
I've finally figured out Dubya speak. Match up everything the guys says publicly and observe his actions. His actions are directly polar opposites of his words. Dubya gives a new meaning to the word "Flip Flop".
When Dubya says, "Mission Accomplished" it means "The mission is screwed"
When Dubya says, "Saddam has WMDS" it means " Saddam does'nt have WMDs"
When Dubya says, "War on Terror", it means " war on American, Iraqi, Lebanese civilians"
When Dubya says, " Hezzies lost", it means "Hezzies won".
The better course of action for 911 would have been similar to what Clinton did when terrorists attacked.
Besides getting a blowjob, he simply dropped a bomb or two on the offending areas of origin - end - he moved on... on to Monica.
When 911 happened, Bush should have taken much more sophisticated, cooperative and white-collar approaches and measures to securing the USA.
Like terrorists (if they were terrorists) planned for years to carry out 911, Bush should have also planned for years to prevent such things from happening in the future.
Now the whole Arab Muslim world is enraged with America.
That is not fixing the situation.
5-years has passed. 10s of 1000s of innocent lives have been lost, besides many more wounded.
Yes, no terrorist attacks of comparable size to 911 have happened on US soil YET, but Bin Laden always took years between attacks anyway, so, "safety of US citizens" cannot really be measured accurately.
For Bush to say, "America is safer," is delusional and unsubstantiated.
If anything, Bush's response to 911 has only served to further destabilize the world and the USA.
A better solution would have been to "fight the war on terror" but in quieter, less obvious ways.
Iraq is the gapping hole as proof of this. The region will now never be without war and SBs while US/allied troops are there.
The Gaza Strip, Iran, Lebanon and Syria may be joining the circus as long as Israel remains unchecked.
Iconoclast
Besides getting a blowjob, he simply dropped a bomb or two on the offending areas of origin - end - he moved on... on to Monica.
When 911 happened, Bush should have taken much more sophisticated, cooperative and white-collar approaches and measures to securing the USA.
Like terrorists (if they were terrorists) planned for years to carry out 911, Bush should have also planned for years to prevent such things from happening in the future.
Now the whole Arab Muslim world is enraged with America.
That is not fixing the situation.
5-years has passed. 10s of 1000s of innocent lives have been lost, besides many more wounded.
Yes, no terrorist attacks of comparable size to 911 have happened on US soil YET, but Bin Laden always took years between attacks anyway, so, "safety of US citizens" cannot really be measured accurately.
For Bush to say, "America is safer," is delusional and unsubstantiated.
If anything, Bush's response to 911 has only served to further destabilize the world and the USA.
A better solution would have been to "fight the war on terror" but in quieter, less obvious ways.
Iraq is the gapping hole as proof of this. The region will now never be without war and SBs while US/allied troops are there.
The Gaza Strip, Iran, Lebanon and Syria may be joining the circus as long as Israel remains unchecked.
Iconoclast
Great post. You're not British are you, by any chance?
Fact: Israel has committed terrorist acts against British and American interests in the past to gain support from both these countries and to distort truth in their favour.
Fact: Israel is not blameless in its wars with Syria which culminated in the 1967 war.
Fact: Israel fought to ensure water from Syria and Jordan were redirected to their growing settlements.
Fact: A lot of Americans know jack shit about the ME, talk irrationally from their proverbial backsides, and think every MEer wants to take away his life, for no other reason than he is an American. Think about how freaking stupid that is, and you'll see why some of us Brits dont view you as "worldly".
Fact: It ain't so just because your gov'ment or mine says so.
Fact: 3 countries in the entire world think hizbollah are terrorists. 190 think not. Concensus, they are not terrorists.
Fact: The governments in both the USA and the UK are the biggest threat to all our freedoms. Blair says:"the muslims are opposed to our way of life and our freedoms". No shithead, YOU are!
Fact: The 911 atrocity was condemned by the majority of the muslim countries, including hizbollah. But that does not suit yours or my countries propoganda machines, so its not reported.
Fact: The 911 atrocity was also investigated completely, useful as the "required" precursor to kick off events that were needed to secure oil.
Fact: Mossad agents were arrested at the time of the 911 atrocity, apparently seen watching with binoculars and cheering at the time of impact. A Mossad operation was uncovered and later closed down after the event.
Fact: Most people just want to live in peace, but unfortunately it is not in the interest of governments not to have a bogey man out there, if it were the muso's, it'd be some other big bad enemy. Whilst of course enemies will exist, none of them are on a grand enough scale to justify such blatant removal of freedoms as the ID card, such as the practical outlawing of cash, such as proposed black boxes in everyones cars. Where will it end, when we are chipped, and are awarded "credits" to our "accounts" on the national register?
Oh and I nearly forgot, however you call it, hizbollah handed Israel their ass in combat, even the Israeli soldiers were surprised and commented on how effective they were. The myth of the infallible Israeli army has been reversed.
Good luck to the people of Israel and Lebanon who genuinely want peace.
Dumb post. You're not British are you by any chance?Quote from absentandy:
Great post. You're not British are you, by any chance?
Fact: 3 countries in the entire world think hizbollah are terrorists. 190 think not. Concensus, they are not terrorists.
Fact 3a:
"Although twenty-two member states [of the EU] have agreed to put Hizbollah on the terrorist list, the remaining three block this. Diplomats from all twenty-five member states meet in a secret clearing house to discuss the list. Yet is has leaked that the three states that oppose putting Hizbollah on it are France, Spain, and Ireland."
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-048-vandam.htm
Fact 3b:
On March 10, 2005, the EU Parliament voted overwhelmingly to adopt a resolution that affirmed Hezbollahâs involvement in terrorist activities and ordered the EU Council to âtake all necessary steps to curtailâ Hezbollah.
http://wexler.house.gov/news.php?ID=246
Two bad you other "Facts" are just as bogus.
There's a catch!
If you knew about 9/11 weeks before it happened and you were therefore spending the longest presidential vacation in history, you'd never want it investigated. The fact that the 2 co-consipirators appeared before the congressional white wash panel WITHOUT TAKING oath, should start ringing alarm bells. Then you have destruction of the crime scene by shipping out the evidence within a week, a passport that apparently "flutters" down from 1000 feet in the air without a scratch ( when concrete itself had been pulverized to fine dirt!!) . The list of shit that sticks to these guys is never ending.
The only time these girls in uniform are "infalliable" is when they're using American tanks against 13 year old kids throwing stones.
When they fight anyone else sufficiently equipped to return fire, they scream like donkeys in heat. Don't forget this fight with the hezzies was also an American war. Short of Marines actually fighting alongside the Israeli girls, America was fully involved supplying weapons, satellite intelligence and the actual war planning. If the Americans plan to fight the same way when they invade Iran at the end of this year, they're going to get their clocks cleaned.