Hershey's Equity thread

[bubba7]

Quote from wareco:

Quote from bubba7:


The lists come from one sort by making % increase in volume the ranking criteria.

1. This list comes from the bottom up. eliminate any low volume stocks (Use 200,000 shares as a cut off). Limit your list to 10 stocks

2. Get this list from the top using only gainers in price. It is two lists over lapped. Skip the others for now with this caliber group. Limit your list to 10 stocks.

Jack, I filtered for + price change because you wrote "get this list from the top using only gainers in price". What am I missing here?

i was not clear. I want you to have gainers and losers at the top.

after you have that you can make a list of gainers only. These are 7's in scoring (which I am not doing until Monday PM.). The others at the top are 3's, they are Break out downs which begin the short trading.

The 7's and 3's are interpliced.

Let me go further. For the 0's (the very bottom) we do not care if they are gainers or losers. We mix gainers and losers together for the time being to go from bottom up to get our 0's list.

From experience I have to compromise on the info I give at the beginning. I just do not have the skills to get everthing into the picture right off.

I have to work from concept to details. Major to minor.

In making money we need to build on success. Start with no risk and fast money velocity.

You are not missing anything sort of. Because you have some skills and you are automatically used to using them, you just short cut to that place and do it. I am dealing with a concept of applying the P, V relation. It is symmetric in nature, thus we get both halves of the "natural cycle" right off the bat. I will deepen the "whys" later on.

For me to get one list to do three things primarily and another secondarily, is a consequence of iterative refinement over time. Stocktables is newer than the maths I use. my original maths were givento a protogege of WJO and then I was offered the oppotuity to do the cup and handle maths, because it was a weekend sort at the time. I use the stocktables here to short cut using the maths. I may post some old lists from the maths so you can see the potential. The software that is used, is maths based and not stocktables based. Stocktables has advantages in ancellary aspects and we will exploit those later.

The list of eight doublings is our target.

 

[izeickl]

Quote from gms:

Jack posted: "To get 110 which I am going to use. I am set at 80, 80 for EPS and RS. the other thing I did which is not what I asked people to do, is that I set the minimum price to 15 dollars."

Here we go again. Same settings, I get a base of 124. Fine. Whittle it down by deleting sub 200,000 volumes, I net 60, not 110.

One of these things is not like the other.

Heh I got the same, after re-reading his post though he adds that he also put a MAX price of $50 which gets you 110.

 

[bubba7]

Quote from gms:

Jack posted: "To get 110 which I am going to use. I am set at 80, 80 for EPS and RS. the other thing I did which is not what I asked people to do, is that I set the minimum price to 15 dollars."

Here we go again. Same settings, I get a base of 124. Fine. Whittle it down by deleting sub 200,000 volumes, I net 60, not 110.

One of these things is not like the other.

Good work. I set the max to 50 also. this is how it will go. the difference between 110 and 124 is great.

here we go again is a negative comment and shows your frustration. i am sorry that is in the space.

Getting the volume whittle done is good work. We whittle volume because of our capital. If you have lots of capital your trades affect the market. If not, then you can be more liberal and less restrictive on the volume.

The low volume only mattersat the bottom. the volume on these picks up as we trade them on break out so that helps too.

thanks for doing the work and thanks for posting. this helps others have confidence because of the base you laid for us.

We will probaly startwith four tream of money and work from there. the basic theme of four streams is to focus on one stream a day. Since the rotation is 6 to 8 days we can be assured that we can focus.

On the otherhand,in the first few pagers it was pointed out that the macro market stuff acts as a tide on the boats we float. We are not worried about this since our boats float. Hopefully we can use this to advantage as our ships come in on the rising tide.


When we start out from port we will be weighing anchor in a fav way to. The analogy shows that we do short trips and probably never leave the safe haven. I guess I should name this lobstering.

 

[bubba7]

Quote from wareco:

O.K. so do I have it straight now? The First list of 10 stocks comes from the bottom of the list working your way up, filtering out stocks with Vol<200K. The Second list of ten stocks comes from the top and working down, selecting only stocks with price gains. The Third list of 10 stocks comes from continuing the method you used to compile the first list of ten stocks.

That is correct. gms will appreciate what you said. i know i do.

We can also see how adjusting the EPS and RS in different ways affects list length. we now have that stuff considered and each way it was done shows how the person orients to the market. this is another plus that deepens the effort.

the bottom list is most important and the top list is second.

We can get over to the clear station and do some assessing.

 

[Scientist]

Quote from nononsense:

Hey BIG Australian scientist,

I knew you would be back soon. Your little piecie is quite clean today compared with the piece of dirt that the moderator removed yesterday. In fact I noticed already before that you are slippy as an eel.

Great. Get some psychotherapy, I think it really is necessary. I've also posted yesterday's post here, so you read it again and realize your BS'in again.

(1) Glad you are again THE scientist. I never disputed your right to sign as you wish. I miss your little blue fellow though. Although I picked up Aussie from your own previous postings, I'll call you Australian as you indicated you like this better. This has nothing whatsoever to do with what you called "racism".

I never "indicated I like being called an aussie". You're full of nonsense, boy. Full of it. Please post a link to the post where I said it. If you don't respond to this we'll know you're a liar.

(2) Not having your removed piece before me, I noticed that you are quite some extrovert. I learned a lot about you. I am still curious to find out about your 1,000,000$ shack you told us about and the low esteem you had for the housing of average Americans.

What a bunch of complete nonsense. I have no low esteem for the housing of average Americans. I've even lived in Turkey. You're just a little jerk-off.

In fact let me tell you about my living space. One of my close neighbors is called Cartier. This person, perhaps not unknown to you has very deep and huge cellars in which he keeps the treasured grape juice of our region. As we learned that you also tinker a bit with jewelry, I can tell you that Mr. Cartier has quite some fellows working way up North doing thingies like you. I don't know how your stuff compares to what I know. I don't care. I am also not going to mouth off about the value of my shackies

LOL. Yeah, my family knows the Cartiers. We even know the royal family. You better watch out what you're saying, kid, your lies don't pull with me.

Your story regarding Mr. Cartier is a lie. As I said, we know the Cartiers, and they've long retired from running the business or "having some fellows up north doing thingies like me". The Cartier business has been a listed holding for decades now, the CEO is Alain Dominique Perrin, not some "Mr Cartier". Mr Cartier is his nickname, so you've run right into that trap, buddy. Sorry, but you're asking for being ridiculed, so you're getting it.

Regarding fine wines - Well we have some fine wines here - We're the 2nd largest wine region in Australia and our wines sell worldwide. You wouldn't even be able to afford a good one, kid.

Regarding my JD stuff : You might be surprised. It's of highest quality, is up with Cartier's standards or higher (individually crafted and controlled).

Regarding "the value of your shackies". - LOL. You're a teenager, and not exactly a productive one, as we can see. Make sure you get your mountainbike loan paid off first before you talk about "your shackies".

(3) On education. You told that you did most of your schooling in Australia and that your parents sent you to Germany for an "elite" education (or was it to an "elite" school). So welcome on this ET-elite thread. You are a real guy we like to have around here. Let me tell you that my parents also sent me off, first to Canada, then to the US to be further educated, not in some kind of "finishing school" with "elite standing and elastic programs" but only to non-unprestigeous University places with gruelling academic standards for commoners. I got tortured for 6 years in these "rat holes" (sorry Americans, I'm talking to THE scientist). As you are not interested in these low-class activities, I am not going to bother you further with this.

I'm very sorry for your experiences of torture in "rat-holes". I was already speculating that maybe you were locked into a hole or small room as a kid and maybe even tortured. Yours is the common behaviour that people develop after traumatic childhood experiences. I would again suggest you get professional treatment, because it can make your life so much better.

As I know quite a bit about German education, I can tell you that they also run these Universities with gruelling academic standards also around there. In fact, a German having gone through this kind of education would never dear to bragg about having been sent by his parents to undergo a "German elite education". To most people, this would be very suspect for the last 60 years.

What do you mean with "gruelling academic standards" in German schools? They're pretty tough, 13 years compulsory, start 6:30 - 7:00 am, go till 3:00pm or longer, then +6h homework. Come over here and I'll show you my "gruelling academic standards". As for yourself, you're probably a highschool dropout and scrubbing toilets at McDonalds. And then you come here and attack traders.

At the high point of your removed piecie of yesterday you addressed yourself to me saying that "you got me with the b*lls" besides some other niceties. I have met many respectable Australians and I never noticed they used this kind of talk. As I am only familiar with common University education in Germany, I suppose that you must have picked up this smut from your "elite education".

LOL. nononsense, you are the KING of "niceties" around here. Regarding "many respectable Australians" you've met and saying that they don't use "bullshit" is a joke in itself. You're lying again and again I've got you by the balls. The word "bullshit" is part of everyday language in Australian government. Swearing is part of the Australian culture. Besides, there are various funny recordings i.e. one of the Prime Minister (President) meeting the G-General, shaking hands and saying "How's it hangin' mate?". This is the heads of goverment. Head of government also uses "bullshit" occassionally, particularly if he met someone like you I'm sure he would. Don't come me with "Australians don't use harsh language" or I'll go and LMAO, seriously.

(4) The thing you did not tell us much about was your artistic activity. We only read that to get some references about you - I never asked for this - I simply had to ask some people living 300miles away. I'm not further curious at all about you, I simply point this out.

I'm a Jewellery Designer and Manufacturer (as you've picked up in the "2nd job" thread). Find an image attached below if you desire to see. Unlike you, I don't lie.

So long BIGGIE, nice to hear from you again. Watch out for the moderators around here. Some people tell us that they can be vicious.

I've actually got some good relations to the moderators, and I get them to delete your posts all the time - You didn't notice? You better don't mouth about moderators.

With your prior bragging about writing books, I would think that you rather waste your time here. Bubba7 could perhaps still learn a few tricks from you. I only exercised my right to answer you. Let's not overload the pages of the good people over here with your personal little hangups. That's all.

This is the only reason why I reply to this. You should stop bothering bubba7 / Jack, because, very much unlike you, he's done a lot of constructive things, which you never have.

Yours truly,

nononsense

P.S. Hey Biggie, I miss not only your cute blue fellow but also your pompous quote by Jonathan Swift with which you used to decorate your "~The Scientist

" little trade mark. I am sorry I made you a remark about this yesterday. Don't let it bend you towards false modesty quick little eel. [/B]

What are you on again? Speed? You just can't stop repeating this, can you? The quote by Jonathan Swift has never been removed (check recent posts), and my signature is and STAYS the same, no matter how much you flame me. At least it's not the world's biggest oxymoron - Unike yours.

You're just a little teenage loudmouth, and the only reason you risk saying this stuff is because you're on the other end of the world and protected by anonymity. If you were here, you wouldn't say this stuff to me, I make a bet on that.

Now I'm looking forward to hear about your achievements so far, and that doesn't include being a notorious liar and BS'er i.e. Cartier-example and others as detailed in this post. If you can't come up with something CONSTRUCTIVE now, this discussion is over.

Best of Luck, Flamer-King
~THE Scientist

 

[mark1]

Well ... this ignore list is getting longer and longer.... :eek:

 

[bubba7]

Quote from baggerlord:

1. Stocks at the top of the volume % change.

NWRE, DKS, ELBO, AUO, MRVL, SINT, SSYS, MRGE, GLDN, ECLG,

2. Stocks at the bottom.

LGTO, LAVA, ENDP, AVID, AMTD, PSUN, CBR, GPRO, HELE, ERES

3. Still not sure where this comes from.

Very good job. Circle AVID and MRVD These are tenured stocks for me.

You have the O's in list 2. these are likely BO's for Monday and Tuesday. List 1. is running slightly ahead of list two as far as BO's. This means we could be chasing. But as you will see we want to enter late for two reasons: to have less risk because we are past "failure to BO" and to just hold the stock during the maximum build up of volume. Momentum is price change with volume energy supporting it. when you add additional energy from the volume build up transition you get the "push" of the herd coming in.

list 3. is more list 2. Just keep going up the list from the bottom with the volume constraint.

So we have 10 each to put into two portfolios in clearstation. when list 3. shows up we will use it.

Oh very important. I am using these short lists because most of the stocks are on my list. My 50 cut off may be why LGTO isn't there. I want to close the door on people thinking I could say I didn't choose these guys. It is exactly the same as if I did. No different.

gms makes all good points. This is a terrific upgrade for me to follow. The wiggling around on details from different posts has it's pro's and con's. To expite, I need to get with it as gms offers help to me.

 

[Scientist]

Quote from mark1:

Well ... this ignore list is getting longer and longer.... :eek:

Hey - No offense, please. This guy is on the floor now, anyway. I'm out of flamer-land, this is my last post to him, now that all his lies and BS are exposed, he can write whatever he likes. I was requested to reply to his post on this thread, so I did.

Best Compliments
~ The Scientist

 

[baggerlord]

1. Stocks at the top of the volume % change. This list is revised from my first post to include only those that had a positive price change for the day. Is this the correct way to do it? I guess it must be if we only want stocks that have broken out to the upside.

NWRE, ELBO, MRVL, ECLG, SGMA, SLAB, POWI, OVTI, MATK, ATRS

2. Stocks at the bottom.

LGTO, LAVA, ENDP, AVID, AMTD, PSUN, CBR, GPRO, HELE, ERES

3. Continuation of list 2.

CNQR, ASKJ, MED, JCOM, KEA, SWKS, ESI, DRIV, NFLX, SINA

 

[izeickl]

From the 110 Stocks As Per Jacks Settings.

List 1 - From Bottom Vol > 200 000
~~~~~~

LAVA
ENDP
AVID
PSUN
HELE
ERES
ASKJ
ESI
DRIV
NFLX

List 2 - From Top, Price Gains Only, Vol > 200 000
~~~~~~
NWRE
ELBO
MRVL
SGMA
SLAB
POWI
OVTI
MATK
ATRS
LEXR

List 3 - List 1 Continuation
~~~~~~
SINA
FDRY
UTSI
APPX
NTES
ODSY
KYPH
SOHU
LEND
YHOO

Am I right in filtering for > 200 000 for the stocks from the top or this is only for 2 of the lists?