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Quote from OneHipCat:

Yeh but a US senator is a position that is worth a lot more than the salary it pays.

That's like comparing Chelsea to Greenspan or Bush and saying, oh they only earn 2 times more :confused:

just think, being 1 of 100 in that club...

this is the farm team for higher offices in the land...

this is the farm team for higher offices in their respective states...

this is the farm team for higher corporate and influence positions, just about anywheres in the US...

to some constitutional extent, these senators are co-presidents with the actual president and wield substantial regional influence...

yeah, that's power alright....
 
Quote from Steve Tvardek:

McKinsey is a top top flight firm, I think the starting salary there is 6 figures. 120k is what they probably pay coffee runners and xerox copiers :)

if you can get the job

ever get past Donald Trump's Apprentice and wonder whether you too could snag one of those jobs?

I will tell you from experience, they are fun, stress filled and fraught with decision making that really makes its impact felt....

Chelsea has name recognition...

I remember a newly minted MBA once commenting about JFK Jr. and saying that any firm would hire him, because if you received an appointment request from his secretary it would be hard believing that it would not be honored, hence he had name recognition and that pretty much was what was being hired...

same applies to Chelsea
 
Quote from toc:

If I had an issue with company, I would be better off talking to a security analyst of a brokerage firm and I will be more abreast through him on trends, scopes and efficiencies. Regarding, internal matters like wastage and process inefficiencies, that is the matter of line managers sitting together and hammering it out.

I worked in one company, the stupid team of consultants took 3 months to create an Access spreadsheet to interlink departments so others can see what other department was doing. They also created max and min time for certain jobs to be finished. All this was the work of the managers, toughening up and Directors pulling the whip on managers. $150/hour consultants were basically chased out by the employee with questions like "When are you guys leaving, Is today your last day?".

1 month after they left, the company went into Chapter 11 with eventual closure of the business.

I have much more respect for securities analysts than consultants charging $300/hour to send e-mails to their home offices regarding the summary of 'work in progress'.

Uh, I think you missed the point of the consultants and what their final work product was...

if for a while, you can divorse yourself from the pain of the experience, you can see what role they played...

they were most likely hired by someone from the Chair's office to assess whether to continue or fold operations and the outcome lends some credence to that conclusion...

in short, that division or firm was sold out from within and perhaps it was from the realization that globalization, outsourcing and/or competitive buy/build analysis no longer supported the notion that that firm had "economic viability"....

its clear that someone made the decision to no longer fund ongoing operations and the consultant were used to get the birds eye view of the true work product and they took it with them when they left...

so from the perspective of whomever payed their $300 hourly rates it was probably a bargain, although it disenfranchised so many American workers from their incomes.
 
Quote from Equalizer:

Spot on Babak. One place where I worked (I didn't stay there very long - couldn't stand the stench), the division manager was ex-consulting. It just so happened that the managers he then hired used to work with him at - lets just call them - ABC Consulting. Funny about that.

These managers would sell their own grandparents to get ahead. Backstabbing like you would not believe.

I was particularly unimpressed with these jokers bailing out of projects that were going nowhere (after of course having shot their big mouths off - as to how they would be implementing this by when, etc, etc - grandiose plans). Some other poor sucker would be "promoted" into the role to take the fall. NICE! They would then move into a project that was going well, displacing the successful manager, as he or she would be given supposedly "more important/critical" (read going nowhere) work.

Highly illogical of course - but the only reason it happened was because of massive cronyism by the head asshole...err... I mean manager.

Needless to say all their better people left in droves.

Funniest incident was when a group of guys had produced a very detailed design for a project. Went over this manager's head. She then asked these guys to put together a 2 page summary for the design review meeting - Why I do not know, since it was a DESIGN REVIEW and the people present were meant to read the bloody thing!

So these guys produced for her a 2 page word document summary.

Idiot-features' response was a classic:

[Ex-Cons-Idiot_Mgr]: What is this?
[Competent Guy]: Its the summary you asked for.
[Ex-Cons-Idiot_Mgr]: No its not!
[Competent Guy]: What do you mean?
[Ex-Cons-Idiot_Mgr]: This is unprofessional!
[Competent Guy]: OK, please explain how so? It is a point-form summary, with a high-level diagram, of a 70 page detailed design document.
[Ex-Cons-Idiot_Mgr]: It is NOT IN MS-POWER-POINT Format!!!
[Competent Guy]: Why, are we going to be using overheads?
[Ex-Cons-Idiot_Mgr]: No.

At this point, the designers with stunned-mullet expressions on their faces decided to keep their mouths shut. That night they began updating their Resumes.

There we go, another Random Rant!

Wow! Its posts like these that makes paying attention to these (high quality) threads worth the time spent.

Man, you put me right back in the mode ...I drafted plans to bring a company public and vault over the hurdles that they would have to clear from their regulatory oversight commission only to have the project cherry picked and handed to the cronies of the idiot managers of the consulting division. Man, that's the stuff that usually vaults you into the partner's chair.

A friend of mine worked at a consulting firm for a Hasidic lady who's last name was Furher. That friend never missed the opportunity to point out the ironies of that and wondered why she didn't go by another name, just to hide the obvious or downplay the contridictions.
 
Quote from rufus_4000:

Why am I replying I have no idea. I have spent 6 years in management consulting in a top firm (BCG).

While the average quality of people I worked with in consulting tend to be higher than almost all the other place I have been (wall street, trading, hedge funds, etc). The problem isn't that they are not smart, the consultants are very smart, and very articulate as well.

Problem is that most top management have no idea how to use consultants. Consultants are notorious for putting a smart kid ("smarties") into the fire very quickly, I was just 3 months out of grad school and I was sitting in front of CIO for a wall street firm, advising him on e-commerce strategy (this is circa '96-97). Yes, I graduated top of my class, and I published a lot, but really I have no idea what I am doing, I was literally gleaming the information as I go along (it is easy when there are all the information available to me). And from my career path in consulting (fast promotions), I did extremely well.

Consultants are very good in bring in a good process and objectives, good background study and a well articulated situation analysis. But the actual implementation of the problem resolution still rests with the client, that's the inherent weakness with consultants.

Did I take advantage of the consulting situation? Of course! I learned to talk my way into practically anything, but I don't have the 5-10 years of industry experience or depth to back it up. Yes I can walk into a situation (engagement), analyze the problem and the players quickly, and come up with some intelligent to say. But am I really contributing to solving the problem? I am not so sure, since I won't be the person (nor the firm) to implement the solution anyways, that's not my problem.

Rufus

thanks Rufus, that was an honest post, and I will say that I appreciated it....

I too found that most consultancy firms of the higher caliber had talent in depths not found outside of the wading pools of similar firms. I missed that aspect after I stepped off their track too.

What you were describing as a career void was what was quantified at Coopers, in their analysis of why consistently these consulting firms can "quantify" through the latest B-School analysis methods, but were horrid in applying or making substantive changes in their clients' processes or environments.

It all came down to "people-i-za-tion skills " that are not taught at these consulting firms and subsequently don't make it into their analysis or recommendations and these same skills are nurtured at these ordinary companies, however, when they are "analysized" they are found to be waisting resources (time, money, processes, skills, etc.).

Simply put (using the example of Diversity) hiring based on social contributions to the community never produces the most efficient, most productive or most rational results in contrast to hiring the (supposedly) "most qualified" person (presuming that said person would want to work at that company or job or city). However, hiring based on secondary goals, such as hiring handicap(s) or hiring high-shcool educated parents instead of college grads has more of an affect upon the corporate culture and combined work product than on the highest (measurable) efficiency process. This process brings more to the table than just raw talent and skills to simply accomplish (almost robotically) the job at hand. These intangibles almost always escapes measurement by the recognized B-School analysis techniques and leads these consultants to the false conclusions that what work product being produced by Company B could be done more efficiently and at less cost, hence they need improvement.

(wow, if you could read through that gook, I have to give you credit)

hope that point helps transition from the Consultant's model of cold analysis to the corporate realities of why one company differs from another and why two companies brewing coffee could have such vastly different customer loyalties to their products....

Care for a Starbucks?
 
Let's go through hedge funds, and away from consulting.

A fund co-manager I know is paid $150k base, and 30% of the incentive fees on his sub-fund. This was thought to be very good (as some of the discussions was around 20-25% of the incentive fee range).

Then again I only have 3-5 data points available to me. For analysts and the like in a hedge fund, the packages are much more like in an ibank, with a bonus (sometimes a guaranteed minimum).

When everyone talks about hedge funds, they talk about the top-10 or 20. Problem is that the majority of hedge funds that are just so-so, generating 7-10-12% returns a year, and people in those funds don't make that much more than ibanks, with an associate taking home 200-350 or so, and a managing partner (or member) take home about $1MM-2MM, not that different from an ibank.

Quote from TheStudent:

Actually if people would start posting real numbers about what hedge fund employees make and the comp arrangements, that would be interesting data to share.

None of this "read it in a magazine" stuff.

Also - the millions and zillions made by partners is not that interesting either - anyone can do the math on 1.5 and 25.

It's the various staff packages that is less well known.
 
I suspect that most staff at hedge funds earn less than their banking counterparts of equal length of experience.

It's a superstar and partner business - if you are neither, you don't really get the big paychecks. I'd wager that most analysts at established hedge funds don't clear $200,000. The ones at fledgling hedge funds would be lucky to clear $100,000.



Quote from rufus_4000:

Let's go through hedge funds, and away from consulting.

A fund co-manager I know is paid $150k base, and 30% of the incentive fees on his sub-fund. This was thought to be very good (as some of the discussions was around 20-25% of the incentive fee range).

Then again I only have 3-5 data points available to me. For analysts and the like in a hedge fund, the packages are much more like in an ibank, with a bonus (sometimes a guaranteed minimum).

When everyone talks about hedge funds, they talk about the top-10 or 20. Problem is that the majority of hedge funds that are just so-so, generating 7-10-12% returns a year, and people in those funds don't make that much more than ibanks, with an associate taking home 200-350 or so, and a managing partner (or member) take home about $1MM-2MM, not that different from an ibank.
 
I don't know about general, but I know about < 10 analysts and associates. The person who made the least made about 180 last year, he is about 2 years out of masters (not MBA), and the fund did about a 10-11% return.

From my experience, due the close working relationship between partners and associates, the partners tend to be a little more generous than ibanks in giving associates / analysts bonuses. The partners know that the most an associate would make is aroud 400 (although in the rare cases I have heard of associates making $1MM), with partners keeping all the rest, so getting the associate motivated is key. Of course, then there is Citadel and the like, which is a bit like a roller coast.

Quote from TheStudent:

I suspect that most staff at hedge funds earn less than their banking counterparts of equal length of experience.

It's a superstar and partner business - if you are neither, you don't really get the big paychecks. I'd wager that most analysts at established hedge funds don't clear $200,000. The ones at fledgling hedge funds would be lucky to clear $100,000.
 
Rufus,

your datapoints are causing me to have to revise my estimates up!

Last year and this year would be interesting ones to see how much associates get paid, this year moreso.


Quote from rufus_4000:

I don't know about general, but I know about < 10 analysts and associates. The person who made the least made about 180 last year, he is about 2 years out of masters (not MBA), and the fund did about a 10-11% return.

From my experience, due the close working relationship between partners and associates, the partners tend to be a little more generous than ibanks in giving associates / analysts bonuses. The partners know that the most an associate would make is aroud 400 (although in the rare cases I have heard of associates making $1MM), with partners keeping all the rest, so getting the associate motivated is key. Of course, then there is Citadel and the like, which is a bit like a roller coast.
 
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