Happy Columbus Day !

The painful irony of the whole thing is that it was always intended to be Italian Heritage day but the presidents who named it called it Columbus day in what turned out over the long haul to be a bad choice. Columbus was not even an American, duh, for chrissake.

Many of the comments here and elsewhere in the media think that it was adopted because there was some great pride in Columbus and his achievements. That is total bullshiite and a misunderstanding of the reasons and the origins. The intent was to elevate the Italians who were suffering great discrimination. The intent was good and America is good. The name of day just took a wrong turn over time and people have a sense of history that goes back about month, maybe all the way back to before AOC was born in some instances.

As a refresher. The first Presidential declaration of Columbus day was after all the outrage related to a large number of Italians being lynched in New Orleans. About a dozen were lynched in one day. I don't remember which President did that, one of the obscure ones.

And then during WW2 and after there was massive discrimination toward Italians and many were still classified as "enemy aliens" even though- like the Japanese- they were notoriously patriotic and still are. So FDR thought it would be helpful- and there were political calls- to do something to right that wrong and start restoring the image of those who had been besmirched. You know, kind of like what progressives want now. So he made the previous one-time declaration of Columbus day, a "permanent" occurrence.

So I am somewhat of a moderate on the issue. I think the name 'Columbus" day has become problematic for some good reasons but I don't agree that it was adopted out of some worship of Columbus and all the things that went with him. Nor did it arise out of chest-beating over his accomplishments. It was to restore the image of a group that was being discriminated against. And as I said, Columbus was not even an American. Got enough problems without taking on his behavior 280 years before America was even a country.

And I think an Indigenous Day celebration day of some sort is in order although I dont like to see it as a replacement of something else, particular when the understanding of the day being replaced is faulty.

Most likely I will get some hate mail from the conservatives too in addition to lefties for my view on it. That's fine. If I want a friend I will get a dog.


I believe I read FDR made the official proclamation of Columbus Day but not sure what the rationale was....

Even Indigenous Day is funny because this is a U.S. holiday but people want it to celebrate Indigenous People all over the Americas? Hard to unwind this holiday in any intelligent way.... All we do is get a school holiday and bank holiday and some sales
 
This is a good article regarding the tensions over Columbus Day and Indigenous People Day... and some of the actions taken by state & local governments across the U.S.

The best "compromise" I have seen is what New York City did which is to declare the holiday "Italian Heritage Day/Indigenous Peoples Day" --- and allow celebrations from people representing both factions.


Tensions persist between legacy of Columbus, native people
https://apnews.com/article/columbus-indigenous-peoples-day-b00777738e9d0ae411e9b6acad223371

Monday’s federal holiday dedicated to Christopher Columbus is highlighting the ongoing divide between those who view the explorer as a representative of Italian American history and others horrified by an annual tribute that ignores native people whose lives and culture were forever changed by colonialism.

Spurred by national calls for racial equity, communities across the U.S. took a deeper look at Columbus’ legacy in recent years — pairing or replacing it with Indigenous Peoples Day.

On Friday, President Joe Biden issued the first presidential proclamation of “Indigenous Peoples Day,” the most significant boost yet to efforts to refocus the federal holiday celebrating Columbus.

But activists, including members of Native American tribes, said ending the formal holiday in Columbus’ name has been stymied by politicians and organizations focusing on Italian American heritage.

“The opposition has tried to paint Columbus as a benevolent man, similar to how white supremacists have painted Robert E. Lee,” Les Begay, Diné Nation member and co-founder of the Indigenous Peoples Day Coalition of Illinois, said, referring to the Civil War general who led the Confederate Army.

Columbus’ arrival began centuries of exploration and colonization by European nations, bringing violence, disease and other suffering to native people already living in the Western Hemisphere.

“Not honoring Indigenous peoples on this day just continues to erase our history, our contributions and the fact that we were the first inhabitants of this country,” Begay said.

Across the country tension, over the two holidays has been playing out since the early 1990s. Debates over monuments and statues of the Italian explorer tread similar ground, as in Philadelphia where the city placed a box over a Columbus statue last year in the wake of the murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by a white Minneapolis police officer. Protesters opposing racial injustice and police brutality against people of color rallied for months in summer 2020.

Philadelphia lawyer George Bochetto, who has been fighting Democratic Mayor Jim Kenney’s administration to uncover the statue, said Saturday many felt efforts to remove it were an attack on Italian-American heritage.

Kenney previously signed an executive order changing the city’s annual Columbus Day holiday to Indigenous Peoples Day. Monday will be the first city holiday under the new name.

“We have a mayor that’s doing everything he can to attack the Italian American community, including canceling its parade, removing statues, changing the Columbus Day holiday to Indigenous Peoples Day by fiat,” Bochetto said.

Kenney spokesperson Kevin Lessard said the statue should remain boxed up “in the best interest and public safety of all Philadelphians.”

In 2016, Lincoln, Nebraska, joined other cities adding Indigenous Peoples Day to the calendar on the same date as Columbus Day. Events on Monday will focus on the newer addition, including unveiling a statue honoring the first Native American physician, Dr. Susan La Flesche Picotte.

Some feel a split day causes further harm. Activists plan a small protest outside the Robert V. Denney Federal Building, calling for an outright end to the holiday in Columbus’ name at all levels of government.

“It’s patently absurd to honor Indigenous people and the man who tortured and murdered their ancestors,” said Jackson Meredith, an organizer. “As far as we’re concerned, we’re going to keep protesting it until Columbus Day is abolished.”

In New York City, the annual Columbus Day Parade returns after a one-year, in-person absence attributed to the coronavirus pandemic. The parade is touted by some as the world’s largest Columbus Day celebration.

In May, Italian American activists complained after the Board of Education erased Christopher Columbus Day from the New York City school calendar, replacing it with “Indigenous Peoples Day.” Following the outcry, the schools changed the designation to: “Italian Heritage Day/Indigenous Peoples Day.”

Mayor Bill de Blasio said he supported the compromise.

“We have to honor that day as a day to recognize the contributions of all Italian Americans, so of course the day should not have been changed arbitrarily,” de Blasio said.

Chicago’s annual Columbus Day parade also returns Monday after the pandemic forced 2020′s cancellation of the event that draws 20,000 people. It’s a vivid reminder of the ongoing fight over three statues of Columbus, still warehoused by the city after protesters targeted them in summer 2020.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot in July 2020 ordered the statues removed and said demonstrations were endangering protesters and police.

She later created a committee to review monuments in the city, including the fate of Columbus monuments. No plans have been announced publicly, but the Joint Civic Committee of Italian Americans that plans the Columbus Day parade this summer sued the city’s park district, demanding that one be restored.

Ron Onesti, the organization’s president, said the parade usually draws protesters and expects that on Monday too. He sees the holiday, parade and statues as a celebration of Italian Americans’ contributions to the U.S., not just Columbus.

“The outcome I’m looking for is (for) our traditions to be respected and conversations to continue,” Onesti said Saturday. “Every plaque that goes along with a statue says it recognizes the Italian community’s contributions. So people need to understand that’s why it’s there, and then let’s sit down and figure out where to go from here.”

Illinois in 2017 designated the last Monday in September as Indigenous Peoples Day but kept Columbus Day on the second Monday of October. A proposal to replace Columbus Day filed this year hasn’t received any action.

Chicago Public Schools in 2020 voted to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day, provoking outrage from several alderman and Italian American groups. The city’s holiday calendar still lists Columbus Day.

Begay, the Indigenous Peoples Day advocate, said the organization decided to focus on changing Columbus Day first in Cook County, hoping it would be an easier path than convincing state or Chicago officials. But so far, members of the county’s board haven’t lined up behind the proposal.

“Why are 500 plus years still forgotten?” Begay said. “Why don’t we have this single day to recognize these horrible atrocities committed against native people?”

I grew up for a while in the Chicago area (north suburb). There have always (still is) been tensions about Columbus Day in Chicago considering a large number of Indigenous tribes / languages spoken in Chicago. In fact, 175 different Indigenous tribes live in the Chicago area...they outnumber the Italians living in the Chicago area.

I grew up with and went to school with a lot of Italians...dated Italian girls. Never saw any racial conflicts between the two groups...most of the tension I saw were between the older generation. Something changed in the 1990s in Chicago between the Italian community and Indigenous community...a change my mother would talk about as a French Catholic.

I remember flying back to Chicago in the 90s from South Korea for my best friend (Italian) father's funeral. His father (an Army colonel - retired) had served with my father...the two were best friends too.

My friend had a young cousin (teenager) that looked at me and called me Metis after seeing who my mother was. It's not a derogatory word but it is something I had only heard used in Canada for the mixed-race of Indigenous with Europeans.

We talked a while and the teen had a strong understanding about the Indigenous and Black Americans who founded Checagou (Chicago) and grew the city with the French fur traders. He talked about how his Italian community doesn't understand the birthright foundation of Chicago that flourish because of the relationships between European French fur traders and Native American trappers.

Few history books teach this outside of Chicago but it is history that both my parents (Indigenous South Dakota and French South France) are very proud of that Italians are still learning about in a city called Chicago.

Chicago today is still one of the relocation hubs in America for the Indigenous community although most live in the nearby suburbs. More Indigenous people are relocating back to the Chicago area and that could be the reason for the increasing tensions although not racial tensions.
  • Some people think this history is forgotten. I counter via saying it wasn't forgotten...it just was not being taught outside of Chicago and has slowly been growing as more and more Indigenous move back into the Chicago area including southern Illinois.
Simply, at least from the viewpoint of Chicago, it's appropriate for Columbus Day to be now called Indigenous People's Day.

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...or Lief Erickson day.....just as useless for a federal holiday

Dude, now you are getting into deep history that the locals have never heard about. If you keep on with this, we'll get invaded by the Vikings, AGAIN. And we all know how that works out.

Bjork will be the battledrum for the invasion. Ack!

 
Happy Elizabeth Warren Day!

She gets $350K a year to teach one law course at Harvard.

Wants to eliminate college debt because "college has become too expensive."

The one course she teaches is on bankruptcy.

Indian girl got good scam going there. Getting good mileage out of those high cheek bones.
 
There's a great scene in Geronimo: An American Legend where the the Apache, bent on revenge, come on a settlement and tell the white-eyes to get off Apache land. One settler spouts off, "we make things of this country, there was nothin' here before us, and there'd never be nothin' if we left it to you!" to which the Apache promptly kill them all. :)
 
There's a great scene in Geronimo: An American Legend where the the Apache, bent on revenge, come on a settlement and tell the white-eyes to get off Apache land. One settler spouts off, "we make things of this country, there was nothin' here before us, and there'd never be nothin' if we left it to you!" to which the Apache promptly kill them all. :)

I think you have the wrong movie scene. :D

Actually, a lot of military movies or law enforcement border patrol movies have that scene by using Apache helicopters to surround the enemy as if it was an ambush for the purpose...kill them all. :D


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