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H1B Visa program has already ruined this country
- Thread starter jinxu
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2 thumbs up. So true. This is hypocrisy. Maybe its because American bosses are unable to speak 2-3 Indian dialects and local languages (aside English) to communicate with the host of programmers in Bangalore and other places in China. This just for one. Secondly, maybe we should compare the average CS major being pumped out of the top decile of IIT vs Cornell or other top American unis. US schooled CS majors are too busy massaging their resumes, hanging around fraternities and other geek parties rather than sitting in front of their pc and just code. Again I hope not to get disappointed and read of someone pointing out some of the top talents in the country, we are talking averages not the few who made it to the absolute top.
Quote from ehsmama:
HA HA HA.. WE INDIANS HAVE AN EVIL PLAN TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY...
I Propose That US GOVT let Obama be replaced with an H1-B Indian.. as he can't do his job well.
haha
Get a life Man...
If you can't get a job...Create your own job..Start a company..
Quote from jprad:
Japan and China suffer from a predominance of the same.
Technical innovation, for the moment, still is by and large the domain of the U.S.
Nope, according to Reuters, China overtakes US in technical innovation this year.
[/QUOTE] Thomson Reuters IP analysis projects China annual patent volume to surpass Japan and U.S. by 2011
China is projected to lead in patent activity by 2011, according to a detailed intellectual property analysis published today by the IP Solutions business of Thomson Reuters. The study, Patented in China II: The Present and Future State of Innovation in China, tracks global patent activity as a barometer for innovation across dozens of metrics to provide a view into Chinaâs innovation economy.
http://patentboon.blogspot.com/2011/01/thomson-reuters-ip-analysis-projects.html
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may I suggest you first learn to spell your native language correctly? (Could your sloppy approach positively correlate with your job loss?)
Quote from bearice:
Other poster:
A single wolf cannot kill a bison/bull but a pack of wolf can kill a bison. When the number of foreigners in USA increases there is possibility they will try to dominate because there is strength in numbers. Foreign workers will try to bring in more foreign workers so that they have more support and try to be dominant. It is human nature to dominate.
USA allows foreign people to start business in USA. Everybody thinks of their Motherland and their fellow people. So there is possibility some foreign business owners will employ their countrymen.
If I am correct 90% black people voted for Obama.
Not all foreign workers are bad. Many have contributed for the development of USA but not all foreign workers are good either. You have to target bad people (foreign and domestic).
Quote from jinxu:
I've heard about this affecting electrical engineers too. I'm just wondering how much of this is true?
Very muchly true... I was in Electronics R&D for decades... Iranians, Chinese, Indians, they would all root out the Americans and then refuse to deal with other departments unless they were "diverse"... and diverse means "undergoing change from Americans to shitheads from other countries". Lesbians did the same thing but their onslaught was against men... It was hard out there for an American worker... I enjoyed developing my skills to such an incredibly high level.. I really did that.. I could walk through the other territories and just tell them to kiss my f%^king ass and shove their politics up so far sideways that it gave them blurry vision... that was the only answer to the mess, Americans will never outpolitic foreigners that came from places where their next meal is very dependent on politics...
They were all looking for me to transfer some skill to them so I would, I would tell them about cold remedies, nutritional answers to their health issues, gave them good advice in getting on with daily life... never told them a thing about electronics or how to get anything done, not ever... the only ones I liked were the Russians and Eastern Europeans, at least I could relate to them... Iranians, Chinese, Indians... forget relating, if I sat at their lunch table the hackles on the back of my neck would start signaling danger to me...
The value of most of the third world folk seemed to be that they could not make waves, their visa was in the hands of their employer, "get fired, go back home" ruled their behavior... you could give them mindlessly stupid work and they would just put in the time... I saw a software project that would have been handled by three Americans grow to a whole building full of Indians/Orientals.. "the greater the confusion about the project the greater the number of workers" seemed to be the agenda from the foreign manager...
I'd like to have a small company in the us but it would not be diverse for diversity's sake.. diverse a little, sure, talent is what it is and it's very necessary but at the corporate level it's way more politics than efficiency...
you know why your ass belongs fired? Because you have a tunnel view, you come across as absolutely stubborn and inflexible and you especially seem to have huge issues with accepting that the American dominance has already ended. You really should travel to Asia to understand what I really mean with that. You are blind buddy!!!
Quote from Eight:
Very muchly true... I was in Electronics R&D for decades... Iranians, Chinese, Indians, they would all root out the Americans and then refuse to deal with other departments unless they were "diverse"... and diverse means "undergoing change from Americans to shitheads from other countries". Lesbians did the same thing but their onslaught was against men... It was hard out there for an American worker... I enjoyed developing my skills to such an incredibly high level.. I really did that.. I could walk through the other territories and just tell them to kiss my f%^king ass and shove their politics up so far sideways that it gave them blurry vision... that was the only answer to the mess, Americans will never outpolitic foreigners that came from places where their next meal is very dependent on politics...
They were all looking for me to transfer some skill to them so I would, I would tell them about cold remedies, nutritional answers to their health issues, gave them good advice in getting on with daily life... never told them a thing about electronics or how to get anything done, not ever... the only ones I liked were the Russians and Eastern Europeans, at least I could relate to them... Iranians, Chinese, Indians... forget relating, if I sat at their lunch table the hackles on the back of my neck would start signaling danger to me...
The value of most of the third world folk seemed to be that they could not make waves, their visa was in the hands of their employer, "get fired, go back home" ruled their behavior... you could give them mindlessly stupid work and they would just put in the time... I saw a software project that would have been handled by three Americans grow to a whole building full of Indians/Orientals.. "the greater the confusion about the project the greater the number of workers" seemed to be the agenda from the foreign manager...
I'd like to have a small company in the us but it would not be diverse for diversity's sake.. diverse a little, sure, talent is what it is and it's very necessary but at the corporate level it's way more politics than efficiency...
Obama: We want them to succeed
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/barack-obama-we-want-illegal-aliens-to-succeed-video/
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/barack-obama-we-want-illegal-aliens-to-succeed-video/
Thomson Reuters IP analysis projects China annual patent volume to surpass Japan and U.S. by 2011Quote from hoffmanw:
Nope, according to Reuters, China overtakes US in technical innovation this year.
China is projected to lead in patent activity by 2011, according to a detailed intellectual property analysis published today by the IP Solutions business of Thomson Reuters. The study, Patented in China II: The Present and Future State of Innovation in China, tracks global patent activity as a barometer for innovation across dozens of metrics to provide a view into Chinaâs innovation economy.
http://patentboon.blogspot.com/2011/01/thomson-reuters-ip-analysis-projects.html
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The problem is China has no definition of IP. It's well known, and has been for 2 decades in US industry, that China's corporate espionage is govt. subsidized. Only recently has the US govt. had enough due to some large military thefts.
Try to have an international patent enforced in China - let me know how that goes.
The US still has China by the balls. China exports lots of cheap crap that we buy in the US but our biggest export to China is far more dangerous: our monetary policy. China can't float its currency becuase it would lead to a depression via hyper-inflation over there. Let China grow a pair first....
I heard IIT graduates are insanely smart though.
I thought i read somewhere that Indian immigrants esentially started up more than half of all silicon valley's start ups.
I went to look up some indians who used to be here on H1B:
George Sudarshan : Physicist, author - first to propose the existence of Tachyon
Arun Netravali : Scientist. Former President of Bell Labs. Former CTO of Lucent. A pioneer of digital technology including HDTV and MPEG4.
Narinder Singh Kapany : Engineer, called the "Father of Fiber Optics".
Vinod Dham : Designed the Intel Pentium Chip Processor (Known as the Father of the "Pentium Chip"
Ajay Bhatt : Co-Inventor of the USB. Chief Client Platform Architect at Intel
Narendra Karmarkar,:mathematician, inventor of Karmarkar algorithm.
Shreeram Shankar Abhyankar: mathematician, singularity theory and Abhyankar's conjecture of finite group theory
---------can't be that "un-creative" if they invented the Pentium Chip, USB interface, HDTV and MPEG4.
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just found out that CEO of Pepsi,Citigroup, Adobe and Mastercard are all former h1B holders.
Shantanu Narayen : CEO of Adobe Systems.
Indra Nooyi : Chairman annd CEO, PepsiCo
Vikram Pandit : Chairman and CEO, Citigroup
Ajay Banga : President and CEO of Mastercard
Indians took over USA?
I thought i read somewhere that Indian immigrants esentially started up more than half of all silicon valley's start ups.
I went to look up some indians who used to be here on H1B:
George Sudarshan : Physicist, author - first to propose the existence of Tachyon
Arun Netravali : Scientist. Former President of Bell Labs. Former CTO of Lucent. A pioneer of digital technology including HDTV and MPEG4.
Narinder Singh Kapany : Engineer, called the "Father of Fiber Optics".
Vinod Dham : Designed the Intel Pentium Chip Processor (Known as the Father of the "Pentium Chip"
Ajay Bhatt : Co-Inventor of the USB. Chief Client Platform Architect at Intel
Narendra Karmarkar,:mathematician, inventor of Karmarkar algorithm.
Shreeram Shankar Abhyankar: mathematician, singularity theory and Abhyankar's conjecture of finite group theory
---------can't be that "un-creative" if they invented the Pentium Chip, USB interface, HDTV and MPEG4.
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just found out that CEO of Pepsi,Citigroup, Adobe and Mastercard are all former h1B holders.
Shantanu Narayen : CEO of Adobe Systems.
Indra Nooyi : Chairman annd CEO, PepsiCo
Vikram Pandit : Chairman and CEO, Citigroup
Ajay Banga : President and CEO of Mastercard
Indians took over USA?
Little scientific innovation and no great progress for society has come from Asia. No medical breakthrough has ever been made in Asia. No technological breakthrough. India has 600,000 Gods, China executes people daily and Japan only showed signs of civilization because of technology transfer from the US.
I have never met a truly smart Chinese or Indian. These people work hard but they do so because of survival reasons. I have met thousands of them in large corporations. They cannot match the ingenuity of an American or European professional. I have also noticed than in their struggle to get a position in the West they will even tell lies about previous positions or accomplishments.
I suspect that the reason they find their way into American companies is because of secret agreements between nations for technology transfer.
I tell you something based on what I know, if today all Asians with work permits disappeared from the face of America, nothing would change in terms of productivity, just less money would flow outside of the country that are then exchanged for local currency pushing the value of the dollar down and causing imported inflation.
I have never met a truly smart Chinese or Indian. These people work hard but they do so because of survival reasons. I have met thousands of them in large corporations. They cannot match the ingenuity of an American or European professional. I have also noticed than in their struggle to get a position in the West they will even tell lies about previous positions or accomplishments.
I suspect that the reason they find their way into American companies is because of secret agreements between nations for technology transfer.
I tell you something based on what I know, if today all Asians with work permits disappeared from the face of America, nothing would change in terms of productivity, just less money would flow outside of the country that are then exchanged for local currency pushing the value of the dollar down and causing imported inflation.