Grand Jury Decision reached - Let the riots begin

I read this story in a news magazine like twenty years ago so no I don't have a link.

And the rumor about Allen serving federal prison time sounds like some made-up bullshit.


RUMOR?

On October 2, 1978, Allen was arrested in the Kalamazoo/Battle Creek International Airport for possession of over 650 grams (1.43 lb) of cocaine. He subsequently pleaded guilty to drug trafficking charges, and provided the names of other dealers in exchange for a sentence of three to seven years rather than a possible life imprisonment. He was paroled on June 12, 1981, after serving 2 years and 4 months in Federal Correctional Institution, Sandstone in Sandstone, Minnesota.[15][16][17] Allen had the Federal Bureau of Prisons Register # 04276-040.[18]

FACTS are not rumor ... you and dbgarland need to accept facts for once in your life.
 
Ok, so where is the story or backup that shows the black guy and Tim Allen getting busted? Back up your claim, dude. You say they both got busted for the same crime and got different sentences. Support it with some evidence.
As I already said, I don't have a link. It was a hardcopy magazine. I believe what I read and I didn't lie about what I read but there's no way to link you to it so forget about it.

Getting back to the larger issue of widespread unequal sentencing ...
That link references an Opinion article in the NYT that even admits that not enough data was examined for a full conclusion, and that it warrants an additional study. It does not provide any examples of any cases reviewed, just a bunch of claims where "Researchers estimated that, throughout New York State, about 4,000 African-Americans and Latinos are sent to jail each year for crimes and circumstances that do not lead to jail terms for whites." Would be nice to see the research, or at the very least, some examples. I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen (there could be judges with an axe to grind) but I'm sure there are black judges out there that rule harshly on white people because of some personal vendetta, too.
You're sure? As you like to say, where's the evidence?

And your misrepresentation of the study as merely opinion is duly noted.

LOL! The second article doesn't talk about racial disparity at all, just the difference in how drugs themselves were penalized. Did you even read that article before using it as evidence??

Are you trying to suggest that whoever wrote the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 could foresee that it would impact blacks far worse, and that's why they wrote it and politicians passed it??
Yes, let's all pretend like there's no racial disparity in the distribution of crack versus powder. On second thought, let's not. From the article: " There is no class of drug that is as racially skewed as crack cocaine.". Did you actually read the article or did you just go for the knee-jerk attack? Don't bother answering, I'm pretty sure I know which one.

This is a link to an amazon book with no information on claims anywhere on the webpage. Short of going out and buying the book and reading it to see whether it makes sense or not, this does not support your claim
https://m.sst.clas.asu.edu/node/5948

http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo5510544.html

I can show you links to Amazon books that claim Santa Claus is real.
Not factual claims, you can't. Any other facetious claims you want to make?

Meanwhile ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1352947/Black-drug-offenders-times-likely-jailed-whites.html

http://sociology230racewheaton.blogspot.com/2014/09/unequal-sentencing.html

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

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RUMOR?

On October 2, 1978, Allen was arrested in the Kalamazoo/Battle Creek International Airport for possession of over 650 grams (1.43 lb) of cocaine. He subsequently pleaded guilty to drug trafficking charges, and provided the names of other dealers in exchange for a sentence of three to seven years rather than a possible life imprisonment. He was paroled on June 12, 1981, after serving 2 years and 4 months in Federal Correctional Institution, Sandstone in Sandstone, Minnesota.[15][16][17] Allen had the Federal Bureau of Prisons Register # 04276-040.[18]

FACTS are not rumor ... you and dbgarland need to accept facts for once in your life.
As I already said, I was unaware of Allen's 1978 bust for cocaine distribution. I was referring to an earlier bust for simple possession where he went to rehab. It happens a lot in Michigan where arrest records for first-time minor offenses are expunged once the sentence, usually community service or in Allen's case, rehab, is completed, so no surprise there's no internet record. No smoking gun, no story. Of course getting caught with 650g is an entirely different matter.
 
As I already said, I don't have a link. It was a hardcopy magazine. I believe what I read and I didn't lie about what I read but there's no way to link you to it so forget about it.

I accept your surrendering that point. Thank you.

Getting back to the larger issue of widespread unequal sentencing ...
You're sure? As you like to say, where's the evidence?

No, I'm not sure. But then again it wasn't me who made the claim, it was you. All I did was look at the hilarious examples of what constitutes "proof" in your world.


And your misrepresentation of the study as merely opinion is duly noted.

No, what I said was the article you linked to was an "editorial", which is derived of opinion. Now, in that editorial, it references a study - but no link to the study or data is presented, so who really knows? Perhaps the author saw the "hardcopy" and can't find a link, just like you.


Yes, let's all pretend like there's no racial disparity in the distribution of crack versus powder. On second thought, let's not. From the article: " There is no class of drug that is as racially skewed as crack cocaine.". Did you actually read the article or did you just go for the knee-jerk attack? Don't bother answering, I'm pretty sure I know which one.

Uh, quoting the part of the article I already quoted and then asking if I read the article is a little...well, poor reading comprehension. I asked you if you thought the people who wrote and signed the law did so because they knew there was a racial skewing to the drug usage. If someone makes wine legal, and beer illegal, and black people just happen to drink more beer and less wine that whites - is that the fault of the law? Honestly now, sheesh. It's like talking to a 10 year old here.


Are you just randomly posting links now? Doris Provine? What's that supposed to show me? It's just a biography of some faculty member at ASU. o_O
https://m.sst.clas.asu.edu/node/5948

Another link to the exact same book you posted on Amazon. Sorry, but there's no more information posted on the book than there was at Amazon. Simply posting that a book has been written on a subject is not proof that the author is automatically correct on what they wrote about. If you accept the fact that a book was written to mean truth, then I can call all sorts of books by Ann Coulter or other hard right folks and it's truth automatically, right?

Not factual claims, you can't. Any other facetious claims you want to make?

I'm not the one making claims here. You are. All I'm doing is showing how the proof you are trying to provide is hilariously inept. So inept, actually, that I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever done this before.


So, this is an interesting link. However, a few things. First: "the study reveals a dramatically higher number of black offenders go to jail over their white counterparts, according to the 2005 figures - the only complete data available." Ok, one year in a snapshot, fine. So is this evidence of Racism?

The author doesn't think so:
Pamela Rodriguez, president of Treatment Alternatives for Safe Communities, the group which led today's research, blamed the difference chiefly on blacks being more likely to sell drugs in public areas, which police target.

She told the Chicago Sun-Times: 'Where you have greater enforcement, you have greater arrests. Where you have greater arrests, you have greater prosecutions.'

She believed economic and educational factors had also contributed to the figures


Hmm, no racism. Racism, Racism, wherefore art thou, Racism??


This blog link is a regurgitation of the crack vs. cocaine disparity. Since it references the huff post article in it's basis for claiming unequal sentencing, I will ask you again. Do you think the people who wrote the law and approved the law did so because they were trying to be racist? Or is it just black people using more of the drug that gets a harsher sentencing than whites? Remember, this began because you said a black guy who was guilty of the exact same crime got a different sentence. So far, you have yet to prove that (and probably never will).



A WSJ article referring back to the same study as the dailymail article you posted, pointing out disparity, but then saying it isn't due to racism, but "acknowledging that they "make sentencing decisions based on many legitimate considerations that are not or cannot be measured."

So still no racism.


LOL...a wikipedia article on a book that another author wrote. Again, should I post a wikipedia article on an Ann Coulter book as a rebuttal and leave it at that? Get real already. Where are the facts on any of this?



Nice chart. Shows well that blacks spend more time in jail than whites and hispanics. Where is the evidence that they get more jail time for the exact same crimes that white commit?

This whole post of yours was an epic fail. Please let me know when you have evidence of a crime committed by a white that is exactly the same as a crime committed by a black person wherein the black person got a much heavier sentence. I'm not saying it never ever happens, but until you show otherwise and backup your claims, it's not a widespread issue.
 
As I already said, I was unaware of Allen's 1978 bust for cocaine distribution. I was referring to an earlier bust for simple possession where he went to rehab. It happens a lot in Michigan where arrest records for first-time minor offenses are expunged once the sentence, usually community service or in Allen's case, rehab, is completed, so no surprise there's no internet record. No smoking gun, no story. Of course getting caught with 650g is an entirely different matter.

But you still haven't shown the black man who supposedly got much worse a sentencing for the exact same crime. I know, "hardcopy". :confused:
 
What a classy guy ... as well as the other rioters .. nothing but thugs

Shortly after St. Louis County prosecuting attorney Robert McCulloch's announcement, Head stood above a crowd of demonstrators -- some of them shouting "F---the police!" -- and yelled, "Burn this motherf---er down!" and "Burn this bitch down!"

Brown family attorney Benjamin Crump has previously called Head's remarks inappropriate but asked the public not to condemn the family for being human. More recently, he told CNN to remember that Brown's mother and father have repeatedly asked protesters to remain peaceful.


So the stepfather is a hypocritical piece of shit.
 
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