GOP supports full Amensty for illegals.

[Ricter]

You and your comrades think the guy on the right is polluting the environment.

So you do disagree with the scientific consensus on lead and mercury pollution.

Because the control of those emissions is costing the economy billions...

 

[fhl]

So you do disagree with the scientific consensus on lead and mercury pollution.

Because the control of those emissions is costing the economy billions...

So you don't disagree that breathing is pollution.

 

[achilles28]

Economic efficiency is a desirable goal but it is not a religion. Sometimes a society has to take a broader view. There are other values to consider.

Sure. One mans income is another mans spending.

Should we export our industrial base to China (income), so we can all burger flip for 50 cent plastic gizmos at Walmart? It's completely backward. Economic efficiency is also gained through automation and robotics. We could have had our cake and ate it too. That's how stupid this whole cluster f* is.

 

[achilles28]

We'll be better off if our economy isn't efficient?

Whoa

One mans income is another mans spending....

Export the income base, and we export our spending power (iow, living standards).

How is this not clear?

 

[PiggyBank]

Fair enough. Then we may both agree that there needs to be some control over the free movement of labor AND the free movement of capital.

not domestically, like someone else said, pretty much all of our regs make our economy more inefficient, and lets face it we have excessive regulation.

What we're getting at here is some nations have certain inherent economic/trade advantages relative to us (and some just cheat) at this point in time. instead of accepting those advantages, we can and should do something about it.

 

[fhl]

One mans income is another mans spending....

Export the income base, and we export our spending power (iow, living standards).

How is this not clear?

I guess the same way it completely escapes you that when industries are protected, it means higher prices for all those products.

Go ahead and tell me how that's not clear.

Except using free trade, there is not the added layer of bureaucrats salaries and decisions that are based on politics and not economics. And that's what you are missing.

When you have planned economies, there are people in the middle who do nothing but eat up resources and make decisions based on politics and not price signals.
Give it enough time, and that method <b>always loses</b>.

 

[Lucrum]

not domestically, like someone else said, pretty much all of our regs make our economy more inefficient, and lets face it we have excessive regulation...

Several firms attempted to count the number of federal regulations in recent years. They gave up.

 

[achilles28]

I guess the same way it completely escapes you that when industries are protected, it means higher prices for all those products.

Go ahead and tell me how that's not clear.

Except using free trade, there is not the added layer of bureaucrats salaries and decisions that are based on politics and not economics. And that's what you are missing.

When you have planned economies, there are people in the middle who do nothing but eat up resources and make decisions based on politics and not price signals.
Give it enough time, and that method <b>always loses</b>.

You mean like the 3.4 Trillion dollar Government we have today? That supports global free trade with the largest bureaucracy in the world? Your point about that makes zero sense, btw.

I get how free-trade is supposed to work. Except it doesn't work like that, in practice. That's what you don't acknowledge. You're talking academic theory with complete ignorance to real world facts.

Like I said many times already (which again, you repeatedly ignore), I support free-trade between developed nations. Free-trade between nations with vastly divergent living standards is economic suicide. That's exactly what the data supports. It's zero sum. And to that, we don't even enjoy free trade with much of Asia. It's free trade for them. And tariffs for us!!! Your argument is completely out of touch with reality.

 

[Ricter]

So you don't disagree that breathing is pollution.

I believe one can have too much of a good thing.

 

[fhl]

You mean like the 3.4 Trillion dollar Government we have today? That supports global free trade with the largest bureaucracy in the world? Your point about that makes zero sense, btw.

I get how free-trade is supposed to work. Except it doesn't work like that, in practice. That's what you don't acknowledge. You're talking academic theory with complete ignorance to real world facts.

Like I said many times already (which again, you repeatedly ignore), I support free-trade between developed nations. Free-trade between nations with vastly divergent living standards is economic suicide. That's exactly what the data supports. It's zero sum. And to that, we don't even enjoy free trade with much of Asia. It's free trade for them. And tariffs for us!!! Your argument is completely out of touch with reality.

The 3.4 trillion dollar gov't we have today is not being spent on free trade.

It's being spent on bureaucrats who regulate. That's my point, not yours bro.

If you can't see that, we have nothing further to talk about. bye