GOP supports full Amensty for illegals.

[PiggyBank]

... We tried to protect the auto companies for decades from foreign competition. How'd that work out for us?

not a 100% sure, but isn't that what forced toyota/honda etc to set up plants here in the US? They didn't bring all of their employees from japan, they hired Americans, and brought competition to the market. all good.

 

[Ricter]

We'll be better off if our economy isn't efficient?

Whoa

Take a deep breath and read what he said again.

 

[fhl]

One more thing. It's the left that supports all the environmental, EPA, and all the rest of the idiot regulations we have. And they think that they should be protected from the economic consequences of those regulations? And the rest of us should have our pockets picked to do it?

 

[Ricter]

One more thing. It's the left that supports all the environmental, EPA, and all the rest of the idiot regulations we have. And they think that they should be protected from the economic consequences of those regulations? And the rest of us should have our pockets picked to do it?

Based on the "thinking" you used here...

'We'll be better off if our economy isn't efficient?
'Whoa '

...I must conclude that it's the right that supports pollution and unsustainable use.

"Whoa. "

 

[PiggyBank]

I don't want (totally) free trade between nations, just pointing out the irony of the ostensibly capitalist party criticizing a normal operation of capitalism.

I'm an American first and a (hardcore) capitalist second. All for free domestic markets, and all for taking advantage of other countries for our benefit.

 

[fhl]

Based on the "thinking" you used here...

'We'll be better off if our economy isn't efficient?
'Whoa '

...I must conclude that it's the right that supports pollution and unsustainable use.

"Whoa. "

Of course you would object. When the EPA lays down an edict that carbon is pollution and must be regulated out of existance, you think it's actually based on facts.

 

[Ricter]

I'm an American first and a (hardcore) capitalist second. All for free domestic markets, and all for taking advantage of other countries for our benefit.

Fair enough. Then we may both agree that there needs to be some control over the free movement of labor AND the free movement of capital.

 

[Ricter]

Of course you would object. When the EPA lays down an edict that carbon is pollution and must be regulated out of existance, you think it's actually based on facts.

Did you have the same criticism when lead and mercury pollution were under consideration?

 

[fhl]

Did you have the same criticism when lead and mercury pollution were under consideration?

You and your comrades think the guy on the right is polluting the environment.

 

[achilles28]

Don't agree.

Germany makes quality stuff and China makes cheap stuff. That is why they are successful and not because they have state planned economies.


We tried to protect the auto companies for decades from foreign competition. How'd that work out for us?

Ignoring the fact that everyone pays more for inferior products does not make that gargantuan drag on the economy go away. It's still there. It's just harder to see, like every program that takes a little from everyone to protect the few.

I don't think you understand what I said.

Free-trade between developed economies is fine because the unit labor cost (regulation/taxes/labor compensation/benefits et) is comparable between rich nations.

Free-trade between developed and undeveloped economies is robbery because the unit labor cost is totally skewed in favor of third world producers who don't pay benefits, pensions, pay salaries that are 1/100th of Western standards, or abide by any sort of environmental regulation, and consequently, pay very little in taxes,

Further, what you don't acknowledge is the US doesn't even a enjoy a free-trade relationship with China. China levies all kinds of tariffs against US-made products, but the US allows Chinese imports with no tariffs at all!

Germany is like the China of Europe. German success is overwhelming the result of the ECU and the EMU. Yes, German competitiveness is head and shoulders above most the developed world. But because the natural barrier of exchange rates no longer exist in Europe, Germany basically deindustrialized it's unproductive southern and eastern members of the eurozone. Hence the eurozone debt crisis.

As far as Germany and China go, they run more or less an equivalent balance of trade. I wasn't able to ascertain tariff rates applied to Chinese imports into the EU and visa versa. That's critical before anyone makes broad assumptions about the success of globalization and point to Germany and China as a great example.