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Baron
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Of course it doesn't because you just literally made up a phrase, believed it to be true, and used that as an angle of rebuttal. Sorry, but the phrase "two favorite modes of travel". The word favorite used as an adjective like you did above means "preferred before ALL OTHERS of the same kind". So if the "kind" you're referring to is "modes of travel" to a destination, when given the destination and the multiple choices of travel to choose from, you can only have one favorite. That's why it's called "favorite". This "two favorites" stuff is something you totally made up.
But you know what, forget all that I just stated above. I can easily adjust the example to be even better:
You tell your children that you've decided to take them to Disney World in Orlando. You tell them they've been well behaved, worked hard in school and earned good grades, and that they've done what's required to get that trip to Disney. The kids go nuts and they start screaming and yelling in excitement but then you drop this on them: "We know our time at Disney is going to be amazing in every way! But here's the problem. Even though you've earned this trip and we have the ability to go there now, we'll need to wait a few decades before we can go. And your kids look at you and say "But dad, if we can go to Disney and have fun starting today, why do we have to wait so long?"
Why didn't Paul want to kill himself? Oh, you don't know? Then it could be one of the many reasons I raised? Or no, that's impossible?
Also, some incarcerated prisoners believe they are doing God's work in prison; which ties into my reason that speaks to the believer wanting to raise their standing before entering Heaven/Kingdom.
Your point assumes God exists; so keeping your same assumptions, it's possible that he may have been divinely told of a task he is to perform while on Earth ... maybe writing scrolls or texts or scriptures or something.
Almost like an undergrad wanting to finish their education before entering the work force.
They want a career, but are willing to wait other reasons. They have two desires: completing school, and entering a career. And it makes since to do one, while delaying the other. And it makes sense to do them in a logical order.
I don't know why this concept is so difficult to understand.
Do you also conclude that rape victims must have liked it if they don't notify police?
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Everyone doesn't think like you believe you would think in a specific, life altering, stressful situation, that you aren't actually in, and have never been in. Believing that everyone does think like you in those types of situations is just so naive.
Guess that's why I often misquote this out of context:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, ...
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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So you reply like a good Christian would do, "Pray about it and God will give you the reason, leave it in God's hands, surrender to Him, He will sort it out".
Nice cop out answer, works every time.
Baron
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Oh, she totally has the option to take the kids with her. They can all go together as a group. Nobody said Mom has to go to heaven alone. And what about the reverse side? How about all the loved ones that Mom has lost that are literally WAITING in heaven for her to get there ASAP? What a joyous day it would be to see Mom and the kids finally united with the rest of the lost loved ones!
Baron
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So you reply like a good Christian would do, "Pray about it and God will give you the reason, leave it in God's hands, surrender to Him, He will sort it out".
Nice cop out answer, works every time.
Yeah, or you just reply with the same line that the average parent uses when they say something that makes no sense.... "Because I said so!".
What happens if you have two favorite ice cream flavors ... or is that impossible?
If you like those two more than all the rest; but like those two equally, then I'm sure the whole population would say you have two favorite ice-cream flavors.
Same goes for ties, suits, shoes, children, friends, on and on.
Better, but not quite there.
In the Heaven/Kingdom ("HK") examples, I've stated that the believer did not want to leave their unfinished business behind for their loved ones to sort out.
IOW, they have a reasonable (and popular) reason for not wanting to die right away. BTW, non-believers also want to delay dying for the same reason.
Your example imposes a delay for no good/given reason. Not equivalent analogies.
In Sum and IMO:
- Most of the world would agree that you can have two or more best friends, two favorite cars, two favorite children; when you like the favorites equally, but more than all the rest.
- Most of the world does not restrict us to only having exactly one favorite of something.
- Most of the world would agree that delaying doing something, for a reasonable reason; is not equivalent to delaying doing something for no reasonable reason at all.
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lol. Some crazies might do that.
The most important reason for not taking our own lives or the lives of others here is because it is contrary to God's revealed will and command in the commandment which says:
Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:13
Exodus 20:13
In other words, even if a believer was all alone, had no relationships with anyone, so they could not hope that perhaps they were of some good to someone, and had very difficult circumstances....maybe picture a believer stranded on an Island, starving to death and without hope of rescue and nobody else around to be of help. That believer should lay the matter before God and ask to be taken to heaven sooner rather than later, but submit to God's will in the matter and wait to die of natural causes. If he hastened the process, then I think this would be sin. Sins are covered by Jesus' blood, but at the same time, hurt the relationship, so basically, a believer would know he would be going to heaven yet, pulling from another part of Scripture that I'm not going to quote from, the evaluation of God over his life will have this area examined and found not to have been lived in faith. The Bible says there will be loss of rewards for those things. So, if the person takes his life, he will give account for it to God and realize that had he suffered and kept faith and love and trust in God, that this faith would have been rewarded by God. This is all based on the Bible, so I can supply verses, if asked.
FINE. You asked for it.
@themickey is going to be FACT CHECKED before the end of the night, Pacific Standard Time.
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