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It's not about dismissing evidence. It is what you are calling evidence, despite all the usual absurd excuses to the contrary, that stretch credibility past breaking point.
As well as being full of errors, the Bible is not a reliable historical source.
Therefore what it contains simply does not meet with even the most basic criteria for establishing sound evidence. There's nothing at all wrong with resting faith upon a fairytale. What isn't right is to pretend things are made objectively true just because you have a religious faith in them.
Trying to involve science won't help your arguments. The outcomes of chemical reaction aren't random, nor are they sensibly described as chance when a molecule will or will not react with another molecule. If that process is going to be considered as chance or even random chance, it's merely a 50/50 random chance.
Chemical reaction combinations continuing to increase exponentially over billions of years either reacting chemically or not, are all that would be required for the chemical design or evolution of DNA and RNA. Their only constituent parts are chemical ones. Pushing magic Woo or an imaginary god into that equation is completely uneccessary, unwarrented, non scientific and just plain wrong.
There are an infinite number of Chuck Missler's 'delicate ratios' that if altered in the slightest, you, as the person you are, wouldn't exist.
The chances of your parents even meeting, plus the chances of being able to concieve, plus the chances that one particular egg would meet one single specific sperm to make you (eww).Then on top of all those odds are the chances of your whole antecedence each being concieved against all odds exactly as and who they were, within an unbroken lineage throught human history.
For that to happen would require more zeros than any mathematical model Chuck requires for the universe to exist.
The chances of you actually existing are basically zero. But you do exist don't you? Motto: never trust anyone called Chuck making meaningless calculations.
imo you should be at least as skeptical of your religious beliefs as you obviously are of scientific fact.
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Stu wrote: "Chemical reaction combinations continuing to increase exponentially over billions of years either reacting chemically or not, are all that would be required for the chemical design or evolution of DNA and RNA. Their only constituent parts are chemical ones."
That is a statement showing incredible faith. You believe this is true, yet based on what? Oh, I think I know: because you and everything else exists, therefore it must be so. Seems like your faith is rooted in the "argument from authority" fallacy. Since you've been told it is so (by evolutionists), it must be so. Because you WANT there to be no God, you readily believe that which evidence does not support. Scientific evidence does NOT support randomness as the creating force behind all things that exist especially because all things show the patterns of intelligent design and complex codes.
The above quote was taken from this article: https://www.icr.org/article/859/17/
The article concludes with these thoughts:
That is a statement showing incredible faith. You believe this is true, yet based on what? Oh, I think I know: because you and everything else exists, therefore it must be so. Seems like your faith is rooted in the "argument from authority" fallacy. Since you've been told it is so (by evolutionists), it must be so. Because you WANT there to be no God, you readily believe that which evidence does not support. Scientific evidence does NOT support randomness as the creating force behind all things that exist especially because all things show the patterns of intelligent design and complex codes.
Isaac Asimov, certainly one of the century's outstanding scientists and writers, called the human brain "the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter in the universe."1 But he still remained an atheist.
Sir Julian Huxley, probably the chief architect of neo-Darwinism, once made the following remarkable statement of faith in natural selection, after discussing the complexity of the horse:
One with three million noughts after it is the measure of the unlikeliness of a horse—the odds against it happening at all. No one would bet on anything so improbable happening: and yet it has happened! It has happened, thanks to the working of natural selection. . . .2
An even more remarkable example of faith in the omniscient omnipotence of natural selection appears in the following recent statement:
The genetic code is the product of early natural selection, not simply random, say scientists in Britain. . . . Roughly 1020 genetic codes are possible, but the one nature actually uses was adopted as the standard more than 3.5 billion years ago . . . it is extremely unlikely that such an efficient code arose by chance—natural selection must have played a role.3
(3 Jonathan Knight, "Top Translator," New Scientist (vol. 158, April 18, 1998), p. 15.)
One with three million noughts after it is the measure of the unlikeliness of a horse—the odds against it happening at all. No one would bet on anything so improbable happening: and yet it has happened! It has happened, thanks to the working of natural selection. . . .2
The genetic code is the product of early natural selection, not simply random, say scientists in Britain. . . . Roughly 1020 genetic codes are possible, but the one nature actually uses was adopted as the standard more than 3.5 billion years ago . . . it is extremely unlikely that such an efficient code arose by chance—natural selection must have played a role.3
(3 Jonathan Knight, "Top Translator," New Scientist (vol. 158, April 18, 1998), p. 15.)
The article concludes with these thoughts:
We must go to the Scriptures for salvation. The scientific evidence for design and creation and the Creator are vital to present to those who do not know or believe the Bible (note Acts 14:15-17 and 17:22-29), but then they must go to the Scriptures if they would learn about the true God and His work of creation and redemption.
Note also the message built around Romans 1:19-23, also stressing the reality, but the inadequacy, of so-called natural revelation.
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (v.20).
In many marvelous ways, the fact of God and the nature of God are clearly revealed in His beautiful "poem" of creation (Greek, poiema, "things that are made"). Nevertheless, those who see it, "professing themselves to be wise, (become) fools" (v.22). In the ancient world, they "changed the truth of God [that is, His word, which is truth—John 17:17] into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [or `creation'] more than the Creator" (v.25). These were the pantheistic evolutionists of old Babylon and Egypt and Greece and Rome.
And the modern New Agers are doing exactly the same thing. They see the wonderful evidences of design all around them, but instead of turning to the true Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ, they worship nature instead, attributing all these marvelous evidences of God's eternal power and Godhead to the creative cosmos. In so doing, they are utterly "without excuse," for the evidence of God is all around them.
They are without excuse, but they are also without salvation! The evidence of intelligent design does not bring them to Christ, but to Mother Nature. Scientific creationism, which incorporates the evidence of design along with the overwhelming evidence against any evolutionary substitute (whether Darwinian atheism or New Age Pantheism) is vitally important, but it must be either followed by or accompanied by a sound presentation of true Biblical creationism if it is to be meaningful and lasting.
We call this body of evidence and doctrine the study of scientific Biblical creationism. But this is still only the foundation, not the complete saving gospel. Jesus Christ must then be presented as not only the eternal Creator, but also as our redeeming Savior, living Lord, and soon-coming King. And that is enough for eternal salvation to all who believe and follow Him.
Note also the message built around Romans 1:19-23, also stressing the reality, but the inadequacy, of so-called natural revelation.
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (v.20).
In many marvelous ways, the fact of God and the nature of God are clearly revealed in His beautiful "poem" of creation (Greek, poiema, "things that are made"). Nevertheless, those who see it, "professing themselves to be wise, (become) fools" (v.22). In the ancient world, they "changed the truth of God [that is, His word, which is truth—John 17:17] into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [or `creation'] more than the Creator" (v.25). These were the pantheistic evolutionists of old Babylon and Egypt and Greece and Rome.
And the modern New Agers are doing exactly the same thing. They see the wonderful evidences of design all around them, but instead of turning to the true Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ, they worship nature instead, attributing all these marvelous evidences of God's eternal power and Godhead to the creative cosmos. In so doing, they are utterly "without excuse," for the evidence of God is all around them.
They are without excuse, but they are also without salvation! The evidence of intelligent design does not bring them to Christ, but to Mother Nature. Scientific creationism, which incorporates the evidence of design along with the overwhelming evidence against any evolutionary substitute (whether Darwinian atheism or New Age Pantheism) is vitally important, but it must be either followed by or accompanied by a sound presentation of true Biblical creationism if it is to be meaningful and lasting.
We call this body of evidence and doctrine the study of scientific Biblical creationism. But this is still only the foundation, not the complete saving gospel. Jesus Christ must then be presented as not only the eternal Creator, but also as our redeeming Savior, living Lord, and soon-coming King. And that is enough for eternal salvation to all who believe and follow Him.
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Could just anyone have fulfilled the Old Testament Scriptures concerning the Messianic prophecies? Take a look at how the specific prophecies narrowed down the ability of any one person to fulfill all of the ones that Jesus fulfilled. In addition, Jesus could not have been a mere man who decided as an adult to try to fulfill the prophecies because His birth needed to be from a virgin and the place of birth needed to be Bethlehem. He also needed to be the "One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity" (Micah 5:2) which could only happen if His Father was God, not Joseph.
https://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/
https://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/
Part Three: Messianic Prophecy
The third and most famous section of Stoner’s book concerns Messianic prophecy. His theme verse for this section is John 5:39 — “Search the Scriptures because… it is these that bear witness of Me.”
Stoner proceeds to select eight of the best known prophecies about the Messiah and calculates the odds of their accidental fulfillment in one person as being 1 in 1017.
I love the way Stoner illustrated the meaning of this number. He asked the reader to imagine filling the State of Texas knee deep in silver dollars. Include in this huge number one silver dollar with a black check mark on it. Then, turn a blindfolded person loose in this sea of silver dollars. The odds that the first coin he would pick up would be the one with the black check mark are the same as 8 prophecies being fulfilled accidentally in the life of Jesus.
The point, of course, is that when people say that the fulfillment of prophecy in the life of Jesus was accidental, they do not know what they are talking about. Keep in mind that Jesus did not just fulfill 8 prophecies, He fulfilled 108. The chances of fulfilling 16 is 1 in 1045. When you get to a total of 48, the odds increase to 1 in 10157. Accidental fulfillment of these prophecies is simply beyond the realm of possibility.
When confronted with these statistics, skeptics will often fall back on the argument that Jesus purposefully fulfilled the prophecies. There is no doubt that Jesus was aware of the prophecies and His fulfillment of them. For example, when He got ready to enter Jerusalem the last time, He told His disciples to find Him a donkey to ride so that the prophecy of Zechariah could be fulfilled which said, “Behold, your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey” (Matthew 21:1-5 and Zechariah 9:9).
But many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah could not be purposefully fulfilled — such as the town of His birth (Micah 5:2) or the nature of His betrayal (Psalm 41:9), or the manner of His death (Zechariah 13:6 and Psalm 22:16).
One of the most remarkable Messianic prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures is the one that precisely states that the Messiah will die by crucifixion. It is found in Psalm 22 where David prophesied the Messiah would die by having His hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16). That prophecy was written 1,000 years before Jesus was born. When it was written, the Jewish method of execution was by stoning. The prophecy was also written many years before the Romans perfected crucifixion as a method of execution.
Even when Jesus was killed, the Jews still relied on stoning as their method of execution, but they had lost the power to implement the death penalty due to Roman occupation. That is why they were forced to take Jesus to Pilate, the Roman governor, and that’s how Jesus ended up being crucified, in fulfillment of David’s prophecy.
The bottom line is that the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the life of Jesus proves conclusively that He truly was God in the flesh. It also proves that the Bible is supernatural in origin.
Note: A detailed listing of all 108 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus is contained in Dr. Reagan’s book, Christ in Prophecy Study Guide. It also contains an analytical listing of all the Messianic prophecies in the Bible — both Old and New Testaments — concerning both the First and Second comings of the Messiah.
For creation science resources see the following websites:
The third and most famous section of Stoner’s book concerns Messianic prophecy. His theme verse for this section is John 5:39 — “Search the Scriptures because… it is these that bear witness of Me.”
Stoner proceeds to select eight of the best known prophecies about the Messiah and calculates the odds of their accidental fulfillment in one person as being 1 in 1017.
I love the way Stoner illustrated the meaning of this number. He asked the reader to imagine filling the State of Texas knee deep in silver dollars. Include in this huge number one silver dollar with a black check mark on it. Then, turn a blindfolded person loose in this sea of silver dollars. The odds that the first coin he would pick up would be the one with the black check mark are the same as 8 prophecies being fulfilled accidentally in the life of Jesus.
The point, of course, is that when people say that the fulfillment of prophecy in the life of Jesus was accidental, they do not know what they are talking about. Keep in mind that Jesus did not just fulfill 8 prophecies, He fulfilled 108. The chances of fulfilling 16 is 1 in 1045. When you get to a total of 48, the odds increase to 1 in 10157. Accidental fulfillment of these prophecies is simply beyond the realm of possibility.
When confronted with these statistics, skeptics will often fall back on the argument that Jesus purposefully fulfilled the prophecies. There is no doubt that Jesus was aware of the prophecies and His fulfillment of them. For example, when He got ready to enter Jerusalem the last time, He told His disciples to find Him a donkey to ride so that the prophecy of Zechariah could be fulfilled which said, “Behold, your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey” (Matthew 21:1-5 and Zechariah 9:9).
But many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah could not be purposefully fulfilled — such as the town of His birth (Micah 5:2) or the nature of His betrayal (Psalm 41:9), or the manner of His death (Zechariah 13:6 and Psalm 22:16).
One of the most remarkable Messianic prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures is the one that precisely states that the Messiah will die by crucifixion. It is found in Psalm 22 where David prophesied the Messiah would die by having His hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16). That prophecy was written 1,000 years before Jesus was born. When it was written, the Jewish method of execution was by stoning. The prophecy was also written many years before the Romans perfected crucifixion as a method of execution.
Even when Jesus was killed, the Jews still relied on stoning as their method of execution, but they had lost the power to implement the death penalty due to Roman occupation. That is why they were forced to take Jesus to Pilate, the Roman governor, and that’s how Jesus ended up being crucified, in fulfillment of David’s prophecy.
The bottom line is that the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the life of Jesus proves conclusively that He truly was God in the flesh. It also proves that the Bible is supernatural in origin.
Note: A detailed listing of all 108 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus is contained in Dr. Reagan’s book, Christ in Prophecy Study Guide. It also contains an analytical listing of all the Messianic prophecies in the Bible — both Old and New Testaments — concerning both the First and Second comings of the Messiah.
For creation science resources see the following websites:
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Same article as above, but decided to quote from earlier in the article:
https://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/
https://christinprophecy.org/articles/applying-the-science-of-probability-to-the-scriptures/
Peter Stoner’s Calculations Regarding Messianic Prophecy
Peter Stoner calculated the probability of just 8 Messianic prophecies being fulfilled in the life of Jesus. As you read through these prophecies, you will see that all estimates were calculated as conservatively as possible.
Part Two: The Accuracy of Prophecy
The second section of Stoner’s book, is entitled “Prophetic Accuracy.” This is where the book becomes absolutely fascinating. One by one, he takes major Bible prophecies concerning cities and nations and calculates the odds of their being fulfilled. The first is a prophecy in Ezekiel 26 concerning the city of Tyre. Seven prophecies are contained in this chapter which was written in 590 BC:
Two hundred and forty-one years later Alexander the Great arrived on the scene. Fearing that the fleet of Tyre might be used against his homeland, he decided to take the island where the city had been moved to. He accomplished this goal by building a causeway from the mainland to the island, and he did that by using all the building materials from the ruins of the old city. Neighboring cities were so frightened by Alexander’s conquest that they immediately opened their gates to him. Ever since that time, Tyre has remained in ruins and is a place where fishermen spread their nets.
Thus, every detail of the prophecy was fulfilled exactly as predicted. Stoner calculated the odds of such a prophecy being fulfilled by chance as being 1 in 75,000,000, or 1 in 7.5×107. (The exponent 7 indicates that the decimal is to be moved to the right seven places.)
Stoner proceeds to calculate the probabilities of the prophecies concerning Samaria, Gaza and Ashkelon, Jericho, Palestine, Moab and Ammon, Edom, and Babylon. He also calculates the odds of prophecies being fulfilled that predicted the closing of the Eastern Gate (Ezekiel 44:1-3), the plowing of Mount Zion (Micah 3:12), and the enlargement of Jerusalem according to a prescribed pattern (Jeremiah 31:38-40).
Combining all these prophecies, he concludes that “the probability of these 11 prophecies coming true, if written in human wisdom, is… 1 in 5.76×1059. Needless to say, this is a number beyond the realm of possibility.
Peter Stoner calculated the probability of just 8 Messianic prophecies being fulfilled in the life of Jesus. As you read through these prophecies, you will see that all estimates were calculated as conservatively as possible.
- The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
The average population of Bethlehem from the time of Micah to the present (1958) divided by the average population of the earth during the same period = 7,150/2,000,000,000 or 2.8×105.
- A messenger will prepare the way for the Messiah (Malachi 3:1).
One man in how many, the world over, has had a forerunner (in this case, John the Baptist) to prepare his way?
Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×103.
- The Messiah will enter Jerusalem as a king riding on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9).
One man in how many, who has entered Jerusalem as a ruler, has entered riding on a donkey?
Estimate: 1 in 100 or 1×102.
- The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend and suffer wounds in His hands (Zechariah 13:6).
One man in how many, the world over, has been betrayed by a friend, resulting in wounds in his hands?
Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×103.
- The Messiah will be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
Of the people who have been betrayed, one in how many has been betrayed for exactly 30 pieces of silver?
Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×103.
- The betrayal money will be used to purchase a potter’s field (Zechariah 11:13).
One man in how many, after receiving a bribe for the betrayal of a friend, has returned the money, had it refused, and then experienced it being used to buy a potter’s field?
Estimate: 1 in 100,000 or 1×105.
- The Messiah will remain silent while He is afflicted (Isaiah 53:7).
One man in how many, when he is oppressed and afflicted, though innocent, will make no defense of himself?
Estimate: 1 in 1,000 or 1×103.
- The Messiah will die by having His hands and feet pierced (Psalm 22:16).
One man in how many, since the time of David, has been crucified?
Estimate: 1 in 10,000 or 1×104.
Part Two: The Accuracy of Prophecy
The second section of Stoner’s book, is entitled “Prophetic Accuracy.” This is where the book becomes absolutely fascinating. One by one, he takes major Bible prophecies concerning cities and nations and calculates the odds of their being fulfilled. The first is a prophecy in Ezekiel 26 concerning the city of Tyre. Seven prophecies are contained in this chapter which was written in 590 BC:
- Nebuchadnezzar shall conquer the city (vs. 7-11).
- Other nations will assist Nebuchadnezzar (v. 3).
- The city will be made like a bare rock (vs. 4 & 14).
- It will become a place for the spreading of fishing nets (vs. 5 & 14).
- Its stones and timbers will be thrown into the sea (v. 12).
- Other cities will fear greatly at the fall of Tyre (v. 16).
- The old city of Tyre will never be rebuilt (v. 14).
Two hundred and forty-one years later Alexander the Great arrived on the scene. Fearing that the fleet of Tyre might be used against his homeland, he decided to take the island where the city had been moved to. He accomplished this goal by building a causeway from the mainland to the island, and he did that by using all the building materials from the ruins of the old city. Neighboring cities were so frightened by Alexander’s conquest that they immediately opened their gates to him. Ever since that time, Tyre has remained in ruins and is a place where fishermen spread their nets.
Thus, every detail of the prophecy was fulfilled exactly as predicted. Stoner calculated the odds of such a prophecy being fulfilled by chance as being 1 in 75,000,000, or 1 in 7.5×107. (The exponent 7 indicates that the decimal is to be moved to the right seven places.)
Stoner proceeds to calculate the probabilities of the prophecies concerning Samaria, Gaza and Ashkelon, Jericho, Palestine, Moab and Ammon, Edom, and Babylon. He also calculates the odds of prophecies being fulfilled that predicted the closing of the Eastern Gate (Ezekiel 44:1-3), the plowing of Mount Zion (Micah 3:12), and the enlargement of Jerusalem according to a prescribed pattern (Jeremiah 31:38-40).
Combining all these prophecies, he concludes that “the probability of these 11 prophecies coming true, if written in human wisdom, is… 1 in 5.76×1059. Needless to say, this is a number beyond the realm of possibility.
I don't see anything in the ICR article making a false accusation against anyone. The quotes they used from the Natures Communications article were direct quotes from the article itself. One quote showed that there is evidence of soft tissue preserved in dinosaurs and "In particular, it has long been accepted that protein molecules decay in relatively short periods of time and cannot be preserved for longer than 4 million years." https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8352
You are correct that the Natures Communications article also did state that they found markers of collagen consistent with a time period of 75 million years. But to quote from that article as a resource is not deceptive.
Later in the ICR article, there is another reference to the Natures Communications article, in which ICR makes the point that excessive iron was not found in these fossils, which would be needed if excessive iron was the preserving instrument.
As a fifth and final observation, the Nature Communications results showed no blood or iron remnants on its bone collagen fibers. Actually most other "soft tissue" fossil finds published in science journals for the last five decades show neither blood nor evidence that blood or iron was ever there. Of course, it would be difficult for iron and hydroxyls to help preserve a dinosaur fossil from Alberta if they were never in contact with its tissues.
In the 2013 report, published in Proceedings of the Royal Society B, researchers proposed that a certain class of chemical reactions involving iron and hydroxyl promoted reactions that may have preserved proteins for millions of years.4
The Proceedings study authors wrote, "The hypothesis that iron contributes to preservation in deep time, perhaps by both free-radical-mediated fixation and antimicrobial activity, is supported by data presented."4
ICR later wrote against the Proceedings study:
...the experimenter destroyed red blood cells to release their trapped iron, then bathed bird-bone tissues with the purified and concentrated soup. But these new Nature Communications results clearly showed blood cell shapes still intact.
No faith, incredible or otherwise, or belief necessary. An understanding of why and how something happens based upon real world observation and practical application, including an appreciation of the fkng obvious is perfectly sufficient. No god required.
Next time you catch a nasty virus, get sick, or are admitted to hospital, tell your doctor how the knowledge they have from years of learning, testing and observation combined with an essential understanding of the process of evolution in the real world, is only faith rooted in "the argument from authority fallacy".
In place of that, you could then see if your imaginary god will intelligently design a cure for you without what you call that "argument from fallacy", especially considering how you must believe it intelligently designed your sickness in the first place.
Well thanks for confirming my point.
Just explained that much to you. There is nothing necessarily random about whether molecules will react or not.
Starting from how the most basic and simple chemical reactions continue to evolve (or not) to more and more intricate complex chemical structures, in ways that can be observed and understood in the real world is how stuff actually works. Life, not so much random as inevitable.
In reality, not fairyland, all things actually show the patterns of chemical design. Not intelligent design.
Lol Brilliant!
Also an excellent example of how evolution and the Goldilocks theory works. You post a million crap vids over a long period of time , until one fits, just right. It had to happen.
but still, let's get things right for Christ sakes...
Professor Brian Cox O.B.E. has assisted Eric Idle in rewriting the Monty Python ‘Galaxy Song’.
Monty Python star Eric Idle wrote the original ‘The Galaxy Song’ for the 1983 Monty Python Meaning of Life movie but got the physics in the lyrics totally wrong. He asked Brian to correct them
https://www.noise11.com/news/monty-...galaxy-song-with-professor-brian-cox-20121110
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