Global Warming: For Experts Only

[jem]

if climate change denial is religious could you show us some peer reviewed science that says man made co2 is causing warming?

Because if anyone exhibits faith its those arguing man made co2 causes warming without any science.

Note, I did not ask for science which shows co2 has warming properties (because we also know it has cooling properties).

hey, climate denial IS religious





Me neither piezoe. Hell I don't even care if Keating doesn't support Trump!
I don't care either if the Shaviv guy is an Israeli-American physics professor , carrying out research in the fields of astrophysics while failing rather miserably to make a splash with his own cosmic ray hypothesis on the side. Although rumor has it he's now trying to adapt his wonky research into making hand held ray guns for space cadets.

The real question is, does anything Keating say against Nir Shaviv's ideas have real scientific merit.
So why your (ridiculous) response attacking Keating the messenger
If you were being in any way serious about trying to understand the science behind the statements rather than hold a dogmatic determination to refuse any evidence that spoils the climatard belief system, it would have been just as easy for you to take into account information in the second link I gave. Ah but that debunks Shaviv too and by scientist(s) more than competent .
But you ignored it, presumably because right there, is a professor of Space Environment Physics directly concerned with the subject, who finds the science on solar influence affecting global and regional climate - does not support Nir Shaviv.
You presumably attack the messenger because as a climate denier you would read in the link the simple fact that actual temperature records are completely inconsistent with any of the solar forcings Shaviv talks of. Maybe you should be more skeptical of your own denial.

But quite frankly, no amount of denial or protest or refusal to understand it, is going to be any more scientifically reliable than a horse on a staircase.
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[stu]

if climate change denial is religious could you show us some peer reviewed science that says man made co2 is causing warming?

Because if anyone exhibits faith its those arguing man made co2 causes warming without any science.

Note, I did not ask for science which shows co2 has warming properties (because we also know it has cooling properties).

ass over tits. Not how science works
What there aren't, are any peer reviewed scientific papers, published or not, to counter the very large amount of published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how anthropic CO2 is causing warming.

Funny thing. There are also those who say there are no published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how space-time curvature causes gravity .

 

[gwb-trading]

ass over tits. Not how science works
What there aren't, are any peer reviewed scientific papers, published or not, to counter the very large amount of published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how anthropic CO2 is causing warming.

Funny thing. There are also those who say there are no published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how space-time curvature causes gravity .

Actually there is not a single peer-reviewed paper which claims that anthropic CO2 causes global warming which is dangerous to mankind. If there is one... then please provide a link to it.

 

[stu]

Actually there is not a single peer-reviewed paper which claims that anthropic CO2 causes global warming which is dangerous to mankind. If there is one... then please provide a link to it.

Actually there probably isn't a single peer-reviewed paper which claims that spacetime curvature causes gravity which is dangerous to mankind either.

Perhaps they're just the kind of things that are screamingly f'kng apparent if one's being sensible about what's dangerous to mankind from the worst effects of a greenhouse gas like anthropic CO2 , or worst effects of a force like gravity, simply going by what's known about their very nature alone.

 

[jem]

show us some science stu...

post a link to the large amount of papers... or we will know you were lying about science again.

"the very large amount of published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how anthropic CO2 is causing warming."

by the way there no evidence that co2 causes warming because all the data shows it trails warming and cooling. so if you found anything it would be speculation based on models. Scientists use models to speculate that co2 might amplify the warming once the warming starts. Which may be true.
But, after a lot of co2 is released it may start cooling.

NASA experiments show co2 also cools.
This is again why there is no science showing man man co2 causes warming.
There is no data to support that finding.

ass over tits. Not how science works
What there aren't, are any peer reviewed scientific papers, published or not, to counter the very large amount of published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how anthropic CO2 is causing warming.

Funny thing. There are also those who say there are no published peer reviewed scientific papers, which explain how space-time curvature causes gravity .

 

[futurecurrents]

you purposefully ignorant troll... why do you lie? I have proven this to you over and over.
Its from NASA and it was proven with experiments.
Nasa created an experiment with statellites and proved that
CO2 is also a very effective coolant.

If you even understood that co2 captures and then re radiates you would understand the same property can either cool or warm depending on where the gas is located and where the energy is coming from.

Its seems you would rather be ignorant than learn science.

here is the experiment....

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.

NASA says it's a greenhouse gas, that warms. Or are you trying to re-define what "greenhouse gas" means?

You, like piehole, are one of those lying scumbags. The kind that will help cause death and destruction from man made global warming. Go fuck yourself.

 

[jem]

You troll liar Fraudcurrents.

Here NASA states CO2 is also a very powerful coolant
and proves it with this experiment.

are up denying that CO2 also cools.


https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

finally we don't even know that more co2 is bad.
We need more food to feed 7 billion people.

and the oceans have been rising since the last ice age...

 

[futurecurrents]

You troll liar Fraudcurrents.

Here NASA states CO2 is also a very powerful coolant
and proves it with this experiment.

are up denying that CO2 also cools.


https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

finally we don't even know that more co2 is bad.
We need more food to feed 7 billion people.

and the oceans have been rising since the last ice age...

Yes, I know what they say. They say it is a greenhouse that - on balance - warms and without it the earth would be much much colder. Or do you deny that also, you lying piece of shit.

 

[jem]

point to the science in peer reviewed papers that proves your statement and then using that paper and others I will explain why we are currently unsure what adding more co2 does in our environment.

We might actually get somewhere if you start producing peer reviewed science to establish your statements.

hint there are few if any papers showing co2 causes warming which don't rely on models. One paper admits that warming comes before co2 and then speculates that once the warming started co2 increased the warming.

Yes, I know what they say. They say it is a greenhouse that - on balance - warms and without it the earth would be much much colder. Or do you deny that also, you lying piece of shit.

 

[futurecurrents]

Fair enough, but please do try to get to it. It's very interesting. Especially the Nir Shaviv research into solar affects on cloud formation. This work presents an entirely new hypothesis for which colleagues in Denmark have already obtained direct, experimental, evidence. It appears to be very high quality work. This may be the missing piece to the puzzle. Somehow I am not surprised. Shaviv is a Brilliant young physicist! We will hear much more from him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv#Prizes_and_awards

Yet more evidence that piehole works for a libertarian think tank.

If anyone wants to know what Shaviv is really all about....

https://www.desmogblog.com/nir-shaviv


And still, not a single example of a publishing climate scientist denying man made globa warming.

"He (Shaviv) does stress anthropogenic causes will most likely be the dominant driver of warming in the 21st century. "