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Tsing Tao said:
If the ATF was tracking them then one wouldn't have wound up in on the US side of the border and been used to kill an agent. But I'm done arguing over something where neither of us has the proof or desire to go get it. It's not the subject of this thread and I really don't care.
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I suggest you read up on Fast and Furious. The whole point of it was to track the weapons. They dropped the ball and ended up losing a ton.

And you're the one that brought it up, claiming it as evidence of "lots of guns" coming across the border when I asked for some evidence.
 
Here4money said:
I suggest you read up on Fast and Furious. The whole point of it was to track the weapons. They dropped the ball and ended up losing a ton.
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Right, they lost a ton. That was my whole point.

Here4money said:
And you're the one that brought it up, claiming it as evidence of "lots of guns" coming across the border when I asked for some evidence.
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We went into this conversation because of this gem:

Here4money said:
I'll make it easier since you couldn't connect the dots. Were these illegally used guns obtained from the ever growing supply of domestic guns in the gray/black market or the miniscule contraband market?
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All I asked what what the difference was between the black market and the "miniscule" [sic] contraband market, and why this had anything to do with the murders in Chicago over the weekend.

Go ahead, have the last word on this since you seem so determined. Let me know if you'd like to get back to any meaningful discussion on how to deal with the problem, other than imposing the death penalty on anyone who owns a firearm.
 
Man opens fire inside Oklahoma restaurant before 'armed citizen' shoots, kills him, police say
By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News
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A man entered a restaurant in Oklahoma and "opened fire," injuring multiple people before he was fatally shot by an "armed citizen," police said. (KWTV/KOTV)

A man “opened fire” Thursday in an Oklahoma restaurant, leaving at least four people injured, before he was fatally shot by a bystander, police said.

The gunfire unfolded at about 6:30 p.m. local time at Louie's on the Lake in Oklahoma City, Fox 25 Newsreported.

The unidentified shooter entered the restaurant and fired his gun, Oklahoma City Police tweeted, who later added that four people had been injured.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD
https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/999832776659652613

Regarding the shooting at Lake Hefner a fourth victim has been identified. The victim suffered a minor injury. It is unclear how the victim sustained the injury.

10:01 PM - May 24, 2018 · Lake Hefner East Wharf
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Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD
https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/999816810378608640

Lake Hefner shooting update: A man walked into the Louie’s restaurant and opened fire with a gun. Two people were shot. One person has been taken to a hospital with serious injuries. A bystander with a pistol confronted the shooter outside the restaurant and fatally shot him.

8:57 PM - May 24, 2018
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The man, police said, "was apparently shot-to-death by an armed citizen."

Authorities said two people were brought to the hospital after getting shot and are expected to survive.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD
1h
Replying to @OKCPD
The incident is under investigation. The shooter’s motive is unknown and his identity is not yet confirmed. The victims are expected to survive. More details will be provided later.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD
https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/999817646739570688

Correction: Two people taken to the hospital. The victims are expected to survive.

9:01 PM - May 24, 2018
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The suspect is the only confirmed fatality and a motive was not immediatly clear, police said.

A mother and daughter, reportedly described by police as "innocent customers," were shot while they were at the restaurant for a birthday, according to a KOCO reporter.


Abigail Ogle

✔@KOCOAbigail
https://twitter.com/KOCOAbigail/status/999828012785979392

CONFIRMED: A mother and daughter were shot while celebrating a birthday at Louie’s Lakeside.

Police say they were innocent customers.

Suspect shot and killed by armed civilian.

9:42 PM - May 24, 2018
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Oklahoma City Mayor David Holt tweeted that he is "in touch with the City Manager & the Police Chief" and "as OCPD has reported, the suspect is dead."


Mayor David Holt

✔@davidfholt
https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/999819585468551170

I am in touch with the City Manager & the Police Chief. As OCPD has reported, the suspect is dead. OCPD asks that everyone avoid East Wharf tonight so that they can complete their investigation at the scene. https://twitter.com/okcpd/status/999815128777244673 …

9:08 PM - May 24, 2018
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He said police were asking people to avoid the area of East Wharf so authorities could continue their investigation.

The incident follows a shooting last month in Tennesse, during which a suspect opened fire at a Waffle House restaurant, killing four people.

Fox News' Nicole Darrah contributed to this report.
 
Optionpro007 said:
Man opens fire inside Oklahoma restaurant before 'armed citizen' shoots, kills him, police say
By Elizabeth Zwirz | Fox News
1527214181039.jpg



A man entered a restaurant in Oklahoma and "opened fire," injuring multiple people before he was fatally shot by an "armed citizen," police said. (KWTV/KOTV)

A man “opened fire” Thursday in an Oklahoma restaurant, leaving at least four people injured, before he was fatally shot by a bystander, police said.

The gunfire unfolded at about 6:30 p.m. local time at Louie's on the Lake in Oklahoma City, Fox 25 Newsreported.

The unidentified shooter entered the restaurant and fired his gun, Oklahoma City Police tweeted, who later added that four people had been injured.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD

Regarding the shooting at Lake Hefner a fourth victim has been identified. The victim suffered a minor injury. It is unclear how the victim sustained the injury.

10:01 PM - May 24, 2018 · Lake Hefner East Wharf
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Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD

Lake Hefner shooting update: A man walked into the Louie’s restaurant and opened fire with a gun. Two people were shot. One person has been taken to a hospital with serious injuries. A bystander with a pistol confronted the shooter outside the restaurant and fatally shot him.

8:57 PM - May 24, 2018
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The man, police said, "was apparently shot-to-death by an armed citizen."

Authorities said two people were brought to the hospital after getting shot and are expected to survive.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD
1h
Replying to @OKCPD
The incident is under investigation. The shooter’s motive is unknown and his identity is not yet confirmed. The victims are expected to survive. More details will be provided later.


Oklahoma City Police

✔@OKCPD

Correction: Two people taken to the hospital. The victims are expected to survive.

9:01 PM - May 24, 2018
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The suspect is the only confirmed fatality and a motive was not immediatly clear, police said.

A mother and daughter, reportedly described by police as "innocent customers," were shot while they were at the restaurant for a birthday, according to a KOCO reporter.


Abigail Ogle

✔@KOCOAbigail

CONFIRMED: A mother and daughter were shot while celebrating a birthday at Louie’s Lakeside.

Police say they were innocent customers.

Suspect shot and killed by armed civilian.

9:42 PM - May 24, 2018
Twitter Ads info and privacy


Oklahoma City Mayor David Holt tweeted that he is "in touch with the City Manager & the Police Chief" and "as OCPD has reported, the suspect is dead."


Mayor David Holt

✔@davidfholt

I am in touch with the City Manager & the Police Chief. As OCPD has reported, the suspect is dead. OCPD asks that everyone avoid East Wharf tonight so that they can complete their investigation at the scene. https://twitter.com/okcpd/status/999815128777244673 …

9:08 PM - May 24, 2018
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He said police were asking people to avoid the area of East Wharf so authorities could continue their investigation.

The incident follows a shooting last month in Tennesse, during which a suspect opened fire at a Waffle House restaurant, killing four people.

Fox News' Nicole Darrah contributed to this report.
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Nice! I wonder if CNN will run with this.
 
Please, we have to do something. We cannot see incidents where some school is attacked anymore. Just put yourself in the shoes of those parents that have lost their children. Are your guns more important or the life of innocent children.
 
Variss said:
Please, we have to do something. We cannot see incidents where some school is attacked anymore.
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Agreed. But as already said many times here, banning guns will not solve the problem. You might want to start by getting rid of the "murderer's hunting grounds" a.k.a. "Gun Free Zones". You know, think more about stuff that work in the real world. For example: Did you ever notice that no bank has ever created a "Thief Free Zone" and stopped hiring security? A sign that says "Thief Free Zone" would be much cheaper than hiring armed security personnel. Yet they insist in keeping the latter. I wonder why...:)

That will be a great start.
Variss said:
Are your guns more important or the life of innocent children.
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That's a fallacious question...

You can be sure that many more people(including a much higher number of children) die or get injured in car accidents.

"Are your cars more important than the lives of innocent children?" This is an equivalent question to yours, and as I said, many more children die because of car related incidents. But I don't see people like you marching and protesting to ban cars.

Are the lives of innocent children that die in car crashes less important or less valueable than the lives of children that die in school shootings because you might want to have a car, but you don't care or like to have a gun?

You should read the thread before posting something so naive...
 
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Variss said:
Are your guns more important or the life of innocent children.
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Classic false alternative. Is confiscating guns more important to you than protecting children? Because plenty of good solutions have been proffered and progs reject them out of hand.

Why are progs only concerned when it is white kids getting shot? Hundreds of black youths, some completely innocent, are killed every year in Chicago, a city run by far left dems for centuries, and no one says a word. It's only newsworthy if a white cop kills a black.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Go ahead, have the last word on this since you seem so determined. Let me know if you'd like to get back to any meaningful discussion on how to deal with the problem, other than imposing the death penalty on anyone who owns a firearm.
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And point missed again....tsk..tsk..
 
Variss said:
Please, we have to do something. We cannot see incidents where some school is attacked anymore. Just put yourself in the shoes of those parents that have lost their children. Are your guns more important or the life of innocent children.
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What do you propose we do?
 
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