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Quote from jack hershey:

the continuation....

Q2 Were they incorrect?

No, as shown above.

Q3 In such a case our 1-2-3 pattern appears to be unable to complete the pattern?

It was completed and we began work on the subsequent moves of a long channel. What happened was the the long channel failed to complete all of its three traverses. We have the measures; Where How, Why, What and When. This is you focus as you do MADA. The limits of the new long channel were reached and exceeded. By always considering the limits of any forming pattern, you are home free in successful trading without ever having any drawdowns nor the need to set stops nor the need for preventive financial management as seen in OODA and the CW of the financial industry. Building the mind is a rational deductive process. Irtis well known that induction is not part of the scientific method. Not using science, superceeded science based upon a NEED of these type people. They defrauded themselves by using induction. You can see in the history of the financial industry how money creates a mental orientaion of "the rules do not apply to me". You can read in ET how and when intellectual reason escapes a member. Going to incoherence is a path for those who use induction. Going to coherence is made possible by using science which involves deduction only.

Q4. Where is my thinking flawed?

I see no flaws. What I see is competently formed questions that come from your quest to complete you differentiation of your mind. you are becoming more amd more coherent and many pieces have been fit together. this has happened and now you are polishing your differentiation.

You see ther were more limited reched by the annotations provided to you. I didn't clutter the chart with the stuff I typed here. the consequence was that you askedQ's that deal with these matters. Yuo get the benfits of your posting annotated charts and questions. this makes for earnest growth.

As you see the trading becomes smoother and smoother and stops and limited application of capital go into the rear view mirror. Stops and limiting money mangement are substitutes for undifferentiated minds. In this thread we have three instruments that work extemely well with PEP and its applications. Certainly an organization can be build to trade the same capital 24/7 and only in RTH an with full automatic degapping.

Certainty and sufficiency prevail and there is no nondective applications like stats or propabilistic information theory. this is all caste via three theories: logic, paradigm and information theory (non probabilistic only) OODA and CW do not occupy anyof this territory since they operate based upon "the rules do not apply". Art becomes science as a consequence of intellectual prowess that involves taking the higher road and always following the rules.

You are working on a very coherent level; recognize this and allow yourself to trust yourself. Let it gel into unconscious competence; it is a lovely place.

Jack, thank you very much for your post. I appreciate it. I'll respond later, cause this f...ing allergy 's got me know. I've to get myself together. It is a f.. spring time :)
 
Quote from jack hershey:

thanks for postting the chart.

sorry I missed it.

1. I put in a probable end of day trding fractal annotation in black.

2. the RTL of 1. is shown in pink and an FTT is put in and the open continues. The is a short opening trde for those on the trading fractal and those trading point to point.

3. I abbreviated some of the fine lines of thefast fractal since they are fairly obvious. Two fasts gave us the short trading fractal.

4. By using the FTT of the 3. you see that the fasts are not able to put a long trading fractal three moves in place because of the green @pt 1 of the long being put in play to act as a limit for thr RTL of this forming long.

5. fanning results.

6. 4 and 5 repeat.

7. 4 and 5 repeat.

8. price expands by fast moves inside of the RTL or 7.

9. A pt 2 of a long trading fractal is reached.

10. So is a point 3 on the second fast fractal complete r2r 2b 2r.

11 A VE on the long trading fractal LTL allows for acceleration on that trading fractal

12. the long trading fractal attains an FTT.

13. A fast r2r 2b 2r is completed so pt 2 of the short trading fractal is noted.

14. the day ends before the ftt of the fast long move of the short trading fractal point 3 is reached.

15. The green bookmark is in place to assure that the short trading fractal is still within limits of its formation

NB: Nine bars from the end, there is a green on the fast level. A fast long began but was snuffed out at that point.

As we see beginners trding the trading fractal had a short then a long trade and were in a short @ the end of the day where they exited @ a small profit. All trades were FTT to FTT.

Those beyond beginner can trade point to point on the trading fractal. The first trading fractal contains three trades. From the FTT to point 2 a trade is done and the next trad to point 3 is under way; it extends to the new FTT after the greenbook mark extends that trade. @ the new FTT a long is taken and @ pt 2 a reverse is made and held through the green to the FTT. Wash and rinse each tome to have a pair of profitable trades. Whne a point 3 occurs the point to point holds to the FTT and reverses into the first move towards point 2.

VE's are traded as reversals. And it is known that an FTT comes subsequently on M@ after the reversal on M!'s ftt all when the "zone" applies and if not a BO of a RTL occurs.

On this chart there was no zone and the tradeer held to the point 2 as usual and then reversed long into the close.

SCT trading works better and better, the more skill acquired no matter what fractal is used to conduct trading the market moves.

k200 follows the catenary of a day's trading as enquired about in the reduke thread on k200. The volume is PACE oriented and the relative volume highs reflect the patterns quite nicely. There is no mystery that volume leads price.

I attached the chart and putting it in the text would have made the thread quite wide.

By now it is possible to see day to day continuity by degapping and the outer shells of parallelograms fit into the picture quite nicely when many days allow for this activity.

we also got to understand what it would be like to come up to speed on an instrument of any sort.
 

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... Here is a K200 5 minute chart for Friday April23. ...
I guess you can use a 2 minute K200 to optimize entries / reversals / exits, ... and holds too :)
 
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I guess you can use a 2 minute K200 to optimize entries / reversals / exits, ... and holds too :)

Going to finer fractals on the aame index is not advantageous. See "freakout trading".

Comparing the cash to the index is most fruitful.

Another trading essential is using leading indicators of the index.

Doing cycles of a routine (MADA in this case) assures a "sufficient" binary vector data set.

Intrafractal moves each have three parts (two dominant and one non dominant). Trding to make money carving turns involves the "completion"aspect of nested fractals. This provides the core understanding for taking the market's offer as it is made. Volume leads price and this is very informayive regarding taking multiples of the daily ATR.

As each additional multiple is attained it is a consequence of putting pieces together rather than just changing what is viewed.

For a trader to become expert, he has to have a differentiated mind. Fully annotating 10 days and degapping the carryover allows nested fractals to exhibit the order of events on all fractals of the market. On each of these nested fractas the pattern is completed.

As a trader shifts to trading fasater fractals, he also gains greater multiples of the ATR of the market. Carving turns is telegraphed before the action of reversing.

It is very tough for a person to move away from the CW and OODA. You see people here slogging for years to get to a placejust past BE or just making 100K a year after many years. Mutuals and hedge funds do not make much money based upon their capital. THey use stats and CW and OODA which is "betting" through induction. To eliminate this oreintation is a problem most people cannot succeed is overcoming.

Timing each trade comes down to anticipating the order of events.. In binary vector terms it is an either or decision. there is never any question when choosing one thing or another each sweep of the MADA routine.
 
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Going to finer fractals on the aame index is not advantageous. See "freakout trading".
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Timing each trade comes down to anticipating the order of events.. In binary vector terms it is an either or decision. there is never any question when choosing one thing or another each sweep of the MADA routine.
Thanks Jack. I was suggesting trading the 5 minute chart while annotating the 2 minute chart too, only to better see the dom / non-dom /dom moves of the first observable fractal on the 5 minute chart, and to better time the trades ... (?).

Would you please mark on the chart you've already annotated where would you take each of the trades for beginner (one short, one long, one short), then for the next level (assuming no other tools than the 5 minute chart)? I assume that when the green line is broken (what wasn't that) a few tics are lost ... (?).
 
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Thanks Jack. I was suggesting trading the 5 minute chart while annotating the 2 minute chart too, only to better see the dom / non-dom /dom moves of the first observable fractal on the 5 minute chart, and to better time the trades ... (?).

Would you please mark on the chart you've already annotated where would you take each of the trades for beginner (one short, one long, one short), then for the next level (assuming no other tools than the 5 minute chart)? I assume that when the green line is broken (what wasn't that) a few tics are lost ... (?).

I'll take you through this slowly.

For example, I will name a bar and a member of the fintie set of Analysis A of mada I will name its one to one corresponding member from the finite set of M of mada.

You are asking how I trade an instrument. You have reasons and they probably have to do with making money. The attached is a structure for compiling all my posts form any archive in which they are found. I am responding to you in the part IV Making Money area and in particular the A rules section for analysis.

Roughly speaking, there are two items involved for trading successfully: H1 and H2. It is so simple, it eludes most people. It is NOT like the GS "betting" systems we are hearing about on cspan. GS did S and M and has now turned to "trading" to make money via S and M.

The retail trader has endless advantages for making money.

Most of Mr Black's annotated posts are the same as you will see here.
 

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Here is an illustration of the beginning of the day.


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as you see there are 9 members of M showing in 10 events.

In analysis the one to one correspondence is illustrated. this never changes and is a part of the mnd's inference.

we put all of those things in french fry's mind when he did all the drills he asked for to be able to grow his inference. the inference organizes as he sleeeps by having his unconscious sensing join wityh his conscious snsing and inference. This sums up to a great deal of long tern memory under the headings associated with three of the mind's operators: spatial, patterns and movement. These are the same as for driv8ing a car.

At the end of bar one about 1.5 times the daily range (H-L) has been either realized or is in a trade not realized as yet.

notice how closure of the routine is reached frequently and that I know that I know.

You see an entry and a reversal based upon MADA rules. Depending upon expertise (as defined as the mind's level odf differntiation), more or less money is made.

A trade is made on an ftt and a point 2. As you see you may be annotating these points as a consequence of doing the work of part I Market. You platform gave you the yellow of the OB which has two points on the bar (at either end).

As you see there is no critical thinking involved. What is involved is doing a routine. Everything on the display is done as the routine is done.

when I first came to ET, I posted a print of a day with 17 trades. It was quickly determined tat it was "photoshopped" by a person who, apparently, is very discerning and can see more than an ordinary person. I remember when he blew up a few decembers ago.

Later, I posted prints from an IB account to show how opening trades worked in the market place. The timing they provided is the same as the events in the illustration shown where the two behavioral actions took place.

H1 dictates "continuation".

H2 dictates "change".

To traders, these words are the results of Analysis of a M member (element) of a finite set. In ATS's these things are known as "look ups" or records.

Money is made during continuation and profit segments are taken during change. During change two trading actions are taken by a behavioral action.

On some platforms reversals are able to be sent to the IB; on some platforms a reversal is done by using double the contracts on the "exit" since that complete going flat and also puts the person on the opposite side of the market.

this thread was set up to understand k200 could be traded using PEP and its application SCT. Reduke did not want trading aspects in his thread (or at least not PEP and SCT). There you had asked about the trades of k200 and your request was not welcome.

This is how trading k200 is for me using MADA to apply SCT. SCT means Seamless Continuous Trading and it is based on two hypotheses.

Why not take the opening price and go long to the ftt coming up? As you see it is easay to do since you carryover the container inwhich the ftt will be appearing.
 

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