Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017

[jem]

obviously those with good insurance or money have access to the best healtcare in the world here in the U.S. ... or very close to the top.

The problems come in when the govt gets involved and supports insurance industries and drug companies while pretending to help americans.

there should simply be a hybrid system.
single payer or vouchers for base care for all... and we can supplement the rest through private insurance or cash.

I would think that you of all people would understand that no one who thinks clearly -- and I think you do think pretty clearly, and that's what's surprising me about your post -- would use an anecdote of a wealthy Arab coming to the U.S. for medical care as an indicator of the quality of care available here. Unless of course you were measuring the quality of care available to rich Arabs, The Trumps or the Rockefellers. It is understood by most people that when you speak of the quality of any service without additional qualifiers you are speaking of what's true in general. Not only is the quality of care available in the U.S. among the worst of any modern developed nation by any standard measure, but it is by far the most expensive. Put those two things together and you have a disaster. Perhaps you also think that medical costs being the main cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. shouldn't be a concern. If you do, that might go a long way in helping the rest of us understand why nothing has been done about this sad situation, i.e., too many think as you do.

 

[piezoe]

..the first part of the cure is obvious.
get the money completely out of politics.

This is why I think we should both be supporting Bernie. We don't agree with all his positions of course. We will never find a politician where that is the case, unless it is ourselves running , of course. But if we can get the money out, then everything else will fall in place. Bernie can't do that without our help, but he is trying his darndest to get a movement started that will push the whole country in that direction. I like that.

 

[piezoe]

obviously those with good insurance or money have access to the best healtcare in the world here in the U.S. ... or very close to the top.

The problems come in when the govt gets involved and supports insurance industries and drug companies while pretending to help americans.

there should simply be a hybrid system.
single payer or vouchers for base care for all... and we can supplement the rest through private insurance or cash.

You've done an excellent job of identifying the root cause here! Well done. Another reason we should both be supporting Bernie. His approach is exactly what you've described would be the best we can do.

 

[jem]

I don't think bernie has sufficient brain power to get things done properly. When its time for him to go deeper... he collapses. In a way he is like Ron Paul. Paul is smart... but in the debates 4 years ago he had a chance to go deeper on his ideas... and he failed. I felt as if the ball was on a tee a few times on in those debates. He could have changed history with the correct responses... He could have crushed it. he failed in my opinion. Perhaps he just did not want to be President.

I contrast that with Cruz. Cruz goes deep. His ideas are thought out. I would like to have seen bernies idea's supported past the sound bites. I would like to see America choose from the best of the left and the best of the right.. instead of the shit sandwiches the cronies have been serving for about 2 decades.

This is why I think we should both be
supporting Bernie. We don't agree with all his positions of course. We will never find a politician where that is the case, unless it is ourselves running , of course. But if we can get the money out, then everything else will fall in place. Bernie can't do that without our help, but he is trying his darndest to get a movement started that will push the whole country in that direction. I like that.

 

[piezoe]

I don't think bernie has sufficient brain power to get things done properly. When its time for him to go deeper... he collapses. In a way he is like Ron Paul. Paul is smart... but in the debates 4 years ago he had a chance to go deeper on his ideas... and he failed. I felt as if the ball was on a tee a few times on in those debates. He could have changed history with the correct responses... He could have crushed it. he failed in my opinion. Perhaps he just did not want to be President.

I contrast that with Cruz. Cruz goes deep. His ideas are thought out. I would like to have seen bernies idea's supported past the sound bites. I would like to see America choose from the best of the left and the best of the right.. instead of the shit sandwiches the cronies have been serving for about 2 decades.

Go to Bernie's website. It's got lots of information. Cruz is very smart. But dangerous, in my opinion, in a very self serving way. He gives me the creeps.. I'd rather have Trump as president than Cruz. Cruz, scares me. Bernie is a University of Chicago Political Science Graduate, he is well liked and respected in the Senate and House. And for a reason. And he has years of experience in government. He knows what it takes to get things done in Washington. There has got to be a reason the People of Vermont love him so much, Republicans and Democrats both.

 

[jem]

I know this harsh... but I can't stand establishment republicans selling they are conservatives or democrats saying they have anything but establishment bona fides if they voted for obamacare. its odd how every establishment candidate brags they know how to get things done. ( besides cheating the tax payers)

The democrats controlled the House the Senate and the Presidency. They, he had an historic opportunity to get things done for the workers... Republicans could not stop it. Yet... Sanders voted for Obamacare instead of holding out for single payer.

epic fail when it came time to get things done for workers. if I were a real lefty I could not forgive these establishment sobs for cheating us out of that opportunity.

2. I judge a candidates ability to get things done by looking at what they have done in public office.

Clinton and Sanders have done next to nothing good. Clinton has actually done quite a bit of bad things. Sanders is basically a big zero.

its pretty damn late when people that age say trust me I will get it done... when given a job like Senator they did nothing.

Go to Bernie's website. It's got lots of information. Cruz is very smart. But dangerous, in my opinion, in a very self serving way. He gives me the creeps.. I'd rather have Trump as president than Cruz. Cruz, scares me. Bernie is a University of Chicago Political Science Graduate, he is well liked and respected in the Senate and House. And for a reason. And he has years of experience in government. He knows what it takes to get things done in Washington. There has got to be a reason the People of Vermont love him so much, Republicans and Democrats both.

 

[piezoe]

I know this harsh... but I can't stand establishment republicans selling they are conservatives or democrats saying they have anything but establishment bona fides if they voted for obamacare. its odd how every establishment candidate brags they know how to get things done. ( besides cheating the tax payers)

The democrats controlled the House the Senate and the Presidency. They, he had an historic opportunity to get things done for the workers... Republicans could not stop it. Yet... Sanders voted for Obamacare instead of holding out for single payer.

epic fail when it came time to get things done for workers. if I were a real lefty I could not forgive these establishment sobs for cheating us out of that opportunity.

2. I judge a candidates ability to get things done by looking at what they have done in public office.

Clinton and Sanders have done next to nothing good. Clinton has actually done quite a bit of bad things. Sanders is basically a big zero.

its pretty damn late when people that age say trust me I will get it done... when given a job like Senator they did nothing.

It isn't true that Sanders did nothing. He is one of the more active senators and sponsored 365 bills in 2014. Chaired committees etc. (He was in a virtual tie in 12th place in leadership among 51 democrat and independent senators in 2014, where "leadership is measured by bills sponsored.) I don't have more up to date info on him, but he is among the most active Senators. The media hasn't focused on him.. He is not part of the establishment, and I suppose that is why he doesn't get as much press as some of the others. But I think he was more interested in doing his job than in publicity while he was senator.. Now of course he is running for the nomination and he is naturally getting more press exposure. Sanders has made it very clear what he prefers, and it is single payer. Do you remember that the reason the democrats had to drop the public option, which would have led ultimately to single payer, was that they could not get all the democrats on board? So while it is true they could have passed whatever they wanted if they had all democrats on board. They did not have them all. Baucus in the Senate was a big stumbling block. And that guy in Nebraska was another. In the end they made big concessions just to get something past.

I agree on Clinton.

 

[jem]

You say 324 bills? I read only 3 of those turned into law and they were related to naming post offices.

So he really has done squat for the people.

It isn't true that Sanders did nothing. He is one of the more active senators and sponsored 365 bills in 2014. Chaired committees etc. (He was in a virtual tie in 12th place in leadership among 51 democrat and independent senators in 2014, where "leadership is measured by bills sponsored.) I don't have more up to date info on him, but he is among the most active Senators. The media hasn't focused on him.. He is not part of the establishment, and I suppose that is why he doesn't get as much press as some of the others. But I think he was more interested in doing his job than in publicity while he was senator.. Now of course he is running for the nomination and he is naturally getting more press exposure. Sanders has made it very clear what he prefers, and it is single payer. Do you remember that the reason the democrats had to drop the public option, which would have led ultimately to single payer, was that they could not get all the democrats on board? So while it is true they could have passed whatever they wanted if they had all democrats on board. They did not have them all. Baucus in the Senate was a big stumbling block. And that guy in Nebraska was another. In the end they made big concessions just to get something past.

I agree on Clinton.

 

[piezoe]

You say 324 bills? I read only 3 of those turned into law and they were related to naming post offices.

So he really has done squat for the people.

324 in just one year alone. And no, those weren't all about naming post offices.


Here is a list. You can judge for yourself, but as you can see, he's sponsored or co-sponsored a lot of very important major legislation. A very impressive record as far as I'm concerned. I judge him on the quality and intent of the legislation he's introduced.

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033

There are many pages to Sanders record record by the way. How much legislation has Donald Trump sponsored? How much, and of what type has Ted Cruz sponsored? Now, tell me again which one of these guys is doing the best job!

 

[jem]

1. using your link... you need to make sure you check the boxes (sponsored or co sponsored) and (became law).

In his career he only sponsored 3 bills which have become law.
2 were sponsored as he was contemplating running for office.
2 were to change the name of post offices in vermont.


https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?pageSort=dateOfIntroduction:asc&q={"bill-status":"law","sponsorship":"sponsored"}

1. LAW
   H.R.5245 — 109th Congress (2005-2006)
   To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the "Matthew Lyon Post Office Building".
   Sponsor: Rep. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT-At Large] (Introduced 04/27/2006)
   Committees: House - Government Reform | Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
   Latest Action: 08/02/2006 Became Public Law No: 109-263. (TXT | PDF) (All Actions)
   Tracker:
   This bill has the status Became Law
   
   Here are the steps for Status of Legislation:
   1. Introduced
   2. Passed House
   3. Passed Senate
   4. To President
   5. Became Law
2. LAW
   S.885 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
   A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 35 Park Street in Danville, Vermont, as the "Thaddeus Stevens Post Office".
   Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/07/2013)
   Committees: Senate - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs | House - Oversight and Government Reform
   Latest Action: 11/26/2014 Became Public Law No: 113-189. (TXT | PDF) (All Actions)
   Tracker:
   This bill has the status Became Law
   
   Here are the steps for Status of Legislation:
   1. Introduced
   2. Passed Senate
   3. Passed House
   4. To President
   5. Became Law
3. LAW
   S.893 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)
   Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013
   Sponsor: Sen. Sanders, Bernard [I-VT] (Introduced 05/08/2013)
   Committees: Senate - Veterans' Affairs | House - Veterans' Affairs
   Committee Reports: S. Rept. 113-87
   Latest Action: 11/21/2013 Became Public Law No: 113-52. (TXT | PDF) (All Actions)
   Tracker:
   This bill has the status Became Law
   
   Here are the steps for Status of Legislation:
   1. Introduced
   2. Passed Senate
   3. Passed House
   4. To President
   5. Became Law