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Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017
- Thread starter Tsing Tao
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Medical care in the U.S. is a disaster. Obamacare hasn't changed that significantly. It is still a disaster in terms of costs -- ~100% or more higher than any where else on the planet and substandard outcomes -- the worst health outcomes in any modern, developed nation. This is not a record to be proud of.
Medical care in the U.S. is a disaster. Obamacare hasn't changed that significantly. It is still a disaster in terms of costs -- ~100% or more higher than any where else on the planet and substandard outcomes -- the worst health outcomes in any modern, developed nation. This is not a record to be proud of.
Nonsense. Health care here is world class. Why do wealthy arabs, etc come here for treatment when they have their choice? We have a problem with a large underclass of dysfunctional obama constituents who drag down averages, just like they do with other measures. Letting in any poor illiterate hispanic who can get across the border isn't helping.
Stop whining. You are living where you want to live.I live in the Deep South. I can't recommend it.
I would think that you of all people would understand that no one who thinks clearly -- and I think you do think pretty clearly, and that's what's surprising me about your post -- would use an anecdote of a wealthy Arab coming to the U.S. for medical care as an indicator of the quality of care available here. Unless of course you were measuring the quality of care available to rich Arabs, The Trumps or the Rockefellers. It is understood by most people that when you speak of the quality of any service without additional qualifiers you are speaking of what's true in general. Not only is the quality of care available in the U.S. among the worst of any modern developed nation by any standard measure, but it is by far the most expensive. Put those two things together and you have a disaster. Perhaps you also think that medical costs being the main cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. shouldn't be a concern. If you do, that might go a long way in helping the rest of us understand why nothing has been done about this sad situation, i.e., too many think as you do.Nonsense. Health care here is world class. Why do wealthy arabs, etc come here for treatment when they have their choice? We have a problem with a large underclass of dysfunctional obama constituents who drag down averages, just like they do with other measures. Letting in any poor illiterate hispanic who can get across the border isn't helping.
Actually I'm not. I am trapped here by U.S. government policy.Stop whining. You are living where you want to live.
Actually I'm not. I am trapped here by U.S. government policy.
Ankle bracelet?
What U.S. government policy?Actually I'm not. I am trapped here by U.S. government policy.
Lots of wealthy people will go anywhere in the world to see a specialist. This does not necessarily mean that most of the healthcare they need cannot be provided in their own country, or that on average their country's healthcare is inferior.Nonsense. Health care here is world class. Why do wealthy arabs, etc come here for treatment when they have their choice? We have a problem with a large underclass of dysfunctional obama constituents who drag down averages, just like they do with other measures. Letting in any poor illiterate hispanic who can get across the border isn't helping.
the first part of the cure is obvious.
get the money completely out of politics.
(in the old days when wealth was less concentrated every one had a chance to buy politicians.
Now Congress and the President are owned by the bankers their crony buddies who own media companies... did you see how Trump exposed how Murdoch and Fox so tightly controlled things on the right... same on the left. think about how t.v and newpapers are so concentrated in the hands of few individuals and conglomerates. There is no need to wonder where the money came from to put those enterprises together.) Finally think about how other countries buy favors from the Clintons... (we know they must be buying the repubs as well.)
As a former president of an big oil company said to my Dad at dinner about a decade ago.
The problem with D.C. politicians is that they are not our crooks anymore.
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Also note please don't give me this crap about the supreme ct decision.
We can't just hamstring one side. We have to take out the union and hedge fund money from the dems as well.
get the money completely out of politics.
(in the old days when wealth was less concentrated every one had a chance to buy politicians.
Now Congress and the President are owned by the bankers their crony buddies who own media companies... did you see how Trump exposed how Murdoch and Fox so tightly controlled things on the right... same on the left. think about how t.v and newpapers are so concentrated in the hands of few individuals and conglomerates. There is no need to wonder where the money came from to put those enterprises together.) Finally think about how other countries buy favors from the Clintons... (we know they must be buying the repubs as well.)
As a former president of an big oil company said to my Dad at dinner about a decade ago.
The problem with D.C. politicians is that they are not our crooks anymore.
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Also note please don't give me this crap about the supreme ct decision.
We can't just hamstring one side. We have to take out the union and hedge fund money from the dems as well.
I tend to agree with part of this, but that means little. It is just another opinion, though it is more informed than many other opinions because I have the time to think about these things and study them in some detail. I'm not sure you have the source of these problems you mention quite right. Of course ultimately we have to recognize our human nature as a major contributor. But that doesn't mean nothing can be done. You've done a good job of identifying symptoms. Now if you can identify the underlying disease you might come up with a cure, and failing that, at least a treatment for a chronic condition.
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