Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017

[Fractals 'R Us]

There are actually less people insured than before Obamacare!

Whose idea was it to put a pot smoking, second generation marxist in as POTUS? His whole party ran on "hate Bush" as their platform and money from communist George Soros. So there 'ya go, dumbed down America gets trampled. We've been voting them out for 8 years but undoing the mess might take that long too, if ever...

 

[jem]

exactly... the pigs being the democrats who roasted us and forced us to do business with the cronies who owned them. Then our Supreme Court sacrificed us and the constitution to the cronies... then Republicans pretended they would run in and save us and instead they put us on the spit an roasted us like we were the pigs and not them.

And until recently you were cheering them on...

We've let pigs decide the price of pork in an inelastic market, and now we're complaining that the price of pork is too high. Very funny.

http://healthcare-economist.com/2009/07/22/is-health-care-demand-elastic/

 

[fhl]

What a joke.

Insurers are dropping out of the market because they can't make a profit on the policies that include all the gov't mandates, even after jacking up prices.

And then along comes piezoe and some clown website who try to claim that the reason prices are so high is not because of the mandates, but because the insurers, who are losing money, are gauging their customers.

Of course the next step is price controls. To control those greedy insurance companies.

 

[piezoe]

exactly... the pigs being the democrats who roasted us and forced us to do business with the cronies who owned them. Then our Supreme Court sacrificed us and the constitution to the cronies... then Republicans pretended they would run in and save us and instead they put us on the spit an roasted us like we were the pigs and not them.

And until recently you were cheering them on...

sounds like you are pretty firmly in the "anti-establishment camp."

 

[piezoe]

There are actually less people insured than before Obamacare!

Can you give us the source that statement is based on? I'd be interested. Or is it that the additions to medicaid and medicare (baby boomers) account for the difference, although most medicare recipients carry supplemental insurance. Maybe your source is not including supplemental insurance. Since more have access to routine medical care now than before Obamacare perhaps your eye catching statement is simply a result of how the medical care burden is distributed post Obamacare versus pre-obamacare. Or it may be just the usual internet disinformation. Can you enlighten us here?

This will explain it. The number of uninsured is at an all time low!

http://obamacarefacts.com/sign-ups/obamacare-enrollment-numbers/

I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of Obama care, but it is best to start with facts.

You're being misled, and probably intentionally. It is conceivable that the number of policy holders is a little lower than before Obamacare, but not the number uncovered. Coverage has gone way up. Young adults up to age 26 are on their parents policies now. And possibly workplace coverage has increased a little. That's one policy to cover over 50 or more people.

 

[gwb-trading]

Turns out that health plans on the exchanges still cover jack sh*t. Thanks Obama...

Sorry, We Don’t
Take Obamacare
The growing pains of the health care act are frustrating patients.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/sunday-review/sorry-we-dont-take-obamacare.html

AMY MOSES and her circle of self-employed small-business owners were supporters of President Obama and the Affordable Care Act. They bought policies on the newly created New York State exchange. But when they called doctors and hospitals in Manhattan to schedule appointments, they were dismayed to be turned away again and again with a common refrain: “We don’t take Obamacare,” the umbrella epithet for the hundreds of plans offered through the president’s signature health legislation.

“Anyone who is on these plans knows it’s a two-tiered system,” said Ms. Moses, describing the emotional sting of those words to a successful entrepreneur.

“Anytime one of us needs a doctor,” she continued, “we send out an alert: ‘Does anyone have anyone on an exchange plan that does mammography or colonoscopy? Who takes our insurance?’ It’s really a problem.”

The goal of the Affordable Care Act, which took effect in 2013, was to provide insurance to tens of millions of uninsured or under-insured Americans, through online state and federal marketplaces offering an array of policies. By many measures, the law has been a success: The number of uninsured Americans has dropped by about half, with 20 million more people gaining coverage. It has also created a host of new policies for self-employed people like Ms. Moses, who previously had insurance but whose old plans were no longer offered.

(More at above url)

 

[jem]

there was a poster here named Pa(b)st who pointed out that turning point was when Wall Street Firms changed their organizational structure from Partnerships to Corporations.

The partners were concerned about long term profits and that happened to line up with a healthy strong America. When they changed to corps... the partnerships profits got bought out and what was left was people looking to make big dollars as fast as possible so they could get their bonuses out before the whole game collapsed.

Hence selling mortgages (premium) til they blew up the market. When wall street went from long term greedy to short term greedy so did out politicians.

The working class and tax payers have been destroyed ever since.

did you see the article today about hedge funds lobbying wall streets for profits and winning. the vultures vultures.
Its so incredibly wrong for the country. Your friends at the FED need to stop it. immediately.

sounds like you are pretty firmly in the "anti-establishment camp."

 

[fhl]

Wasn't Barry's goal to 'insure the uninsured' and to make health insurance 'more affordable'? It was called the Affordable Care Act.

According to:
Obamacare 'paid' enrollment drops to 9.9M - CNBC.com
www.cnbc.com/2015/09/08/obamacare-paid-enrollment-drops-to-99m.htmlCNBC
Sep 8, 2015

...there are 9.9 million that got insurance form this act.

And according to:
33 Million Americans Still Don't Have Health Insurance | FiveThirtyEight
fivethirtyeight.com/.../33-million-americans-still-dont-have-health-ins...FiveThirtyEight
Sep 28, 2015

...33 million still didn't get covered.

And we are not going to forget that we were told we would save money on our health insurance. They knew it was a lie even when they said it. Costs have gone up substantially. Not down.


And yet, the nytimes says in GWB's article above:
"By many measures, the law has been a success"


This isn't even spin. It's nothing but a damn lie. We have been lied to from start to finish, from Obama to the nytiimes, throughout this entire boondoggle.

We have one party that is raping us and another party that is letting them get away with it because the chamber of commerce wants them to.

If the south would secede again, i'd move there.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

And then along comes piezoe and some clown website who try to claim that the reason prices are so high is not because of the mandates, but because the insurers, who are losing money, are gauging their customers.

Can I have the pleasure of pointing out "I told you so?" I have been saying for years that when the chickens came home to roost and Obamacare was revealed to be a massive fraud and disaster, that democrats would immediately turn around and blame all the problems on insurers. It just didn't take as long as I envisioned.

Obamacare will join the lengthy list of liberal policy disasters that they refuse to recognize and for which their only solution is "send more money."

 

[piezoe]

there was a poster here named Pa(b)st who pointed out that turning point was when Wall Street Firms changed their organizational structure from Partnerships to Corporations.

The partners were concerned about long term profits and that happened to line up with a healthy strong America. When they changed to corps... the partnerships profits got bought out and what was left was people looking to make big dollars as fast as possible so they could get their bonuses out before the whole game collapsed.

Hence selling mortgages (premium) til they blew up the market. When wall street went from long term greedy to short term greedy so did out politicians.

The working class and tax payers have been destroyed ever since.

did you see the article today about hedge funds lobbying wall streets for profits and winning. the vultures vultures.
Its so incredibly wrong for the country. Your friends at the FED need to stop it. immediately.

I tend to agree with part of this, but that means little. It is just another opinion, though it is more informed than many other opinions because I have the time to think about these things and study them in some detail. I'm not sure you have the source of these problems you mention quite right. Of course ultimately we have to recognize our human nature as a major contributor. But that doesn't mean nothing can be done. You've done a good job of identifying symptoms. Now if you can identify the underlying disease you might come up with a cure, and failing that, at least a treatment for a chronic condition.