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Quote from omegapoint:

Why even bother talking to these primitives.

Primitives v Free Thinkers

The 'free thinkers' who cannot think for themselves
The 'free thinker' who are so weak and scared they have to conform to what everybody else thinks
The 'free thinker' who is too cowardly to stand up and be counted.
The 'free thinker' who is too clever to look to the book of wisdom where all of mans nature and character is described along with the outcomes of that behaviour.

 

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Quote from Gabfly1:

Good point.

Cop out.

Don't worry Gabfly, it's ok for you to be a pillow biting gay and not be able to defend your stance.

Sticking an erect penis up a (hopefully) consenting adults anus isn't my idea of a fun or productive use of time. But if that suits you, then I just want you to know I dont think anything less of you. I am not here to judge your kind and what you do in your spare time in anyway.

The Lord is your judge, whether or not you believe in him. I guess it's a bit like the criminal who didn't believe he would get caught. He's now doing 20 years in Sing-Sing, where every time he takes a shower, he is bullied in to picking up the soap, and... look were back to your kind again!!

LOL

 

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Quote from stefan_777:

You make no sense.

If my statement is wrong, it would mean that straight people can willingly change their instincts to be gay. Try it for yourself, it won't work. Unless you have the instinct for it already, you won't be interested. Sexual preference is not something that can be developed or modified properly.

Sexual instincts are immoral when they're used harmfully against unwilling people. It happens to straight people all the time in rape, incest, pedophilia etc.

Two gay people privately coming together are more than willing, and they're not causing any physical or psychological harm to each other or anyone else. Therefore you cannot call it unethical. The idea that something innate and mutual going on between two people that doesn't hurt them or anyone else in any way is somehow hurtful to society is ridiculous. Gay people are part of society too.

Deal with it.

Maybe being gay is a disease of the mind, or a a mental disfunction like paranoia or pedophilia?

I think most would agree that homo sexual acts go against nature simply because it doesnt promote survival of the species. Therefore, it is a mutation in behaviour. It isn't natural.

I hope that doesnt cause offence to the gays here on this thread, but from a strictly logical stand point, I'm right.

In life we have to deal with many people who are not right in some way, such as those with mentally handicap, physical handicap, addiction, and gays. I think it's proof of a sophisticated and advanced society that we cater for these people and their needs. That we understand these people and their problems, and we try and make sure they have as happy and normal life as possible. I dont think we will be able to find a cure for being gay. I do think that it is up to the individual, assuming he is sane in all other respects to try however to change their behaviour. Maybe, instead of sending gays to prison as we used to, we should lock them up in a Nirvana cat house for a month?

 

[maxpi]

Quote from stefan_777:

You make no sense.

If my statement is wrong, it would mean that straight people can willingly change their instincts to be gay. Try it for yourself, it won't work. Unless you have the instinct for it already, you won't be interested. Sexual preference is not something that can be developed or modified properly.

Sexual instincts are immoral when they're used harmfully against unwilling people. It happens to straight people all the time in rape, incest, pedophilia etc.

Two gay people privately coming together are more than willing, and they're not causing any physical or psychological harm to each other or anyone else. Therefore you cannot call it unethical. The idea that something innate and mutual going on between two people that doesn't hurt them or anyone else in any way is somehow hurtful to society is ridiculous. Gay people are part of society too.

Deal with it.

about that "no harm" thingy... a gay person's lifespan is seriously shorter than a straight one's... and they blow their ass gaskets so badly that they can't close the poop chute... I used to lunch with some people, one old guy was gay and sort of boring too... He would say "I have to go to the bathroom" and I'd keep him trapped in the booth and launch into a really long winded speech and keep him there until he was panicking and demanding to be let out.... that look on his face was priceless!!

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from StreamlineTrade:

Primitives v Free Thinkers

The 'free thinkers' who cannot think for themselves
The 'free thinker' who are so weak and scared they have to conform to what everybody else thinks
The 'free thinker' who is too cowardly to stand up and be counted.
The 'free thinker' who is too clever to look to the book of wisdom where all of mans nature and character is described along with the outcomes of that behaviour.

Faith is not the same thing as fact. How did the disciples distinguish the little voices in their heads from what they
believed to be the voice of God? If somebody comes up to you and suggests that God told him that you should fork over your
estate to him do you buy it? I don't know why I"m even bothering to ask this.

 

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Quote from omegapoint:

Faith is not the same thing as fact. How did the disciples distinguish the little voices in their heads from what they
believed to be the voice of God? If somebody comes up to you and suggests that God told him that you should fork over your
estate to him do you buy it? I don't know why I"m even bothering to ask this.

I wont bother answering then, but please be assured, the answer is in the bible if you bother to read and understand it.

 

[maxpi]

There are two meanings to "The Word" in scripture, one is the person of Jesus, the other is the written scripture... they are in complete harmony btw... those who hear the voice of the Word and like it will follow, the ones that don't like it, won't. My recommendation is to learn to like it!! If you get to where you love it, you will discover that those that don't are just following a different voice altogether and you won't mix well with them... if you get to a high level you won't even mix well with the ones that like Jesus' voice and are learning sometimes...

The price for following Jesus is largely one's pride for most of us, just all the stupid things that you have believed that promise to empower you but never quite seem to work out... you just have to discover each and all of the lies you have ever believed from the other voice and put those lies on the Cross with Jesus, He takes them to hell, breaks all the little "deals with the devil" that you have that you are not aware of typically... and you are set free by that... it can even improve your trading.

People make it all complex and horribly hard to deal with but not really, it is simplicity itself...

 

[stefan_777]

Quote from StreamlineTrade:

Maybe being gay is a disease of the mind, or a a mental disfunction like paranoia or pedophilia?

I think most would agree that homo sexual acts go against nature simply because it doesnt promote survival of the species. Therefore, it is a mutation in behaviour. It isn't natural.

Both you and I and everyone have mutations that do not promote our survival.

Mutations are in fact natural. They are apart of evolution.

They aren't, in and of themselves, unethical, because we're stuck with them and never chose them prior to being born

If you think it's against nature, that's fine. I can think of many more things that modern people do that aren't in line with nature's intentions. Does that make them unethical for being or acting differently, not necessarily.

What would make them unethical? When someone chooses to act in a way that is hurtful to themselves or others.

Nobody has shown that the act of being gay is more hurtful than being straight. Anything that shows a lifespan difference between lifestyles is showing the cultural effect (which changes overtime), not the basic effects of homosexual sex, which is obviously harmless between healthy people.

 

[peilthetraveler]

Quote from stefan_777:


Nobody has shown that the act of being gay is more hurtful than being straight.

Ok...lets test that logic in a controled isolated study. First thing we do is take 2 homosexuals(man & man or woman & woman) and put them in a room by themselves for the rest of their lives. Then we take 2 straight people(man & woman) and put them in a room for the rest of their lives. In these two isolated rooms everything is provided for the couples. Now come back in 100 years. In the homosexual room...you find two dead bodies. In the straight room, you find 30 or 40 people.

What wrong with accepting homosexuality is that the more its accepted, the more confused they are going to make children and the more homosexuals a society will produce until their is so many that populations start to decrease. As that happens, tax revenue decreases and debt becomes harder to pay off thereby hurting all of society as countries soon collapse because of their shrinking population. So thats how the act of being gay is more hurtful than being straight.

 

[stefan_777]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Ok...lets test that logic in a controled isolated study. First thing we do is take 2 homosexuals(man & man or woman & woman) and put them in a room by themselves for the rest of their lives. Then we take 2 straight people(man & woman) and put them in a room for the rest of their lives. In these two isolated rooms everything is provided for the couples. Now come back in 100 years. In the homosexual room...you find two dead bodies. In the straight room, you find 30 or 40 people.

What wrong with accepting homosexuality is that the more its accepted, the more confused they are going to make children and the more homosexuals a society will produce until their is so many that populations start to decrease. As that happens, tax revenue decreases and debt becomes harder to pay off thereby hurting all of society as countries soon collapse because of their shrinking population. So thats how the act of being gay is more hurtful than being straight.

I can tell you wouldn't know logic if it hit you in the face.

Homosexuals aren't produced by society, they're produced by nature. Just like straight people.

Accepting them won't have any effect on population.

A warm welcome to you and others to my ignore list.