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[rcn10ec]

Which evolved first and HOW did it work without the others, and HOW LONG did it work without the others? The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from rcn10ec:

Which evolved first and HOW did it work without the others, and HOW LONG did it work without the others? The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?

Right .....the stomach and digestive system didn't evolve until
man was fully evolved. Nice try.

 

[rcn10ec]

Quote from omegapoint:

Right .....the stomach and digestive system didn't evolve until
man was fully evolved. Nice try.

Wrong. EDIT... I'm not necessarily asking about man (as we now exist) in particular. I'm asking about the things that existed before the life that exists as we now know it.

 

[olias]

The subject of evolution always interested me because I thought I was leaning about God's handiwork. To see the diversity of life and the amazing adaptations that life-forms have taken to survive in their eco-systems ...I had a sense that the process could only be driven by an intelligence. It's still a concept that interests me. Probably something I'll struggle with til I die. For me, the question of 'God' goes hand in hand with my understanding of evolution. If science can show that evolutionary processes take place naturally without a need for an intelligent driving force, then I'm inclined not to believe in God.

disclaimer: my concept of 'God' (if it exists) is not the simple 'old man in the sky' notion. I can hardly describe what it means to me, but basically I'm just talking about an intelligence that is responsible for creation. I don't believe that anyone could hope to know anything more about 'God' than that. I think people make the mistake of hearing 'I believe in God' then they automatically assume 'oh, you believe in an old, bearded man who lives in the sky and helped Moses part the Red Sea...'. Then they start making fun of all of those old traditional views on God. It's a big reach to assume all of those things just because someone says they 'believe in God' and it really doesn't help further the debate.

 

[olias]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Fair enough. I will not compare being gay with being a child molester then. I will compare it to what else it said in leviticus. I will compare being gay to have sex with someones brother/sister or mother/father. Do you consider that wrong? I know what you are going to say...its wrong because the kids might come out deformed...so that means that if the sister or mother has a hysterectomy then a son having sex with his mother,or a brother having sex with his sister should be ok and accepted by society. On a purely logical level,can you tell me what would be the difference between homosexual acts and incestual acts?

Being homosexual is not a crime. Committing homosexual acts is where God draws the line. (Opps...forgot, you dont want me to to use God as my defense) Ok...so you ask who gets hurt. Well for one the parents are hurt. No parent hopes for a homosexual child, i dont care what the liberals in san francisco say. So there is one group that is hurt. The other group is homosexuals themselves. They give each other HIV which affects the immune system and they end up dying from some horrible infection(not to mention it makes our healthcare costs go up because they die without paying their hospital bills) So we get hurt as a society as far as medicine is concerned. Another way homosexuals get hurt (this is just for male homosexuals as far as i know) anal sex. Doctors have said that having anal sex can destroy the lining between where the feces and the urine come out and cause a painful infection and a hole between the two walls (if I remember right, this is something that can not be repaired) So this means that when they would have to urinate, feces would come out and when they defecate, urine comes out. So thats how they hurt themselves.

So...people get hurt with homosexual acts. Thats why its bad. So now the question is, will you agree with me that its bad, or will you come up with some excuse to justify your friends lifestyle simply because he is your friend?

I think you're going to have to try harder. 'no parent hopes to have a homosexual child'. For the sake of winning the argument I won't fight that statement, but to say they are 'hurt' by it? Not in all cases. Seriously, you know there are a lot of parents out there nowadays that don't mind in the slightest. I have a friend who falls into that category. And what if a parent has a child who is born with Muscular Dystrophy....no parent wants that right? That makes the child evil or wrong or bad?

'the give each other HIV'----well, so do straight couples. are they wrong too?

'anal sex'----so do straight couples. If you really think it's wrong you should attack anal sex itself, both straight and gay. I guess women are off the hook on this one.

what if a gay couple does not engage in anal sex? Just oral! LOL sorry to get graphic but at least I'm not talking about 'feces and urine'. But this is an honest question. But you know and I know you would still have a problem with any man who likes men, whether they act on it or not. You think that makes them bad people, and I just don't think that makes any sense. Wait, what if the penis is small and there is no risk of injuring the anus?! would it be ok to be gay then? I mean let's really get down to the nitty gritty of what makes it wrong and maybe we can address that specifically

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from rcn10ec:

Wrong. EDIT... I'm not necessarily asking about man (as we now exist) in particular. I'm asking about the things that existed before the life that exists as we now know it.

You shouldn't be using the word wrong when you apparantly
can't formulate the question you think you want to ask.

 

[unretired]

Evil is Evil
Good is Good
Life is Life
Death is Death
Gravity is Gravity
Sowing produces reaping.

Keep it simple ... keep it real.

Gays aren't .... "Gay as in happy" ...
They are sad dejected and down people who have a very short miserable life expectancy, on the whole.

Not realizing that simple truth is error.
Homosexuals are deviants who reap what they sow as everyone reaps as they sow.

They take it up the ass so to speak much faster and reap destruction in their bodies much sooner, on the whole.

Love them, pray for them, and help them escape their deceived deviant bondage ...
but for Gods sake don't support what is killing them.
Don't be deceived. Agreement and support for evil makes you guilty of the same.

 

[olias]

Quote from StreamlineTrade:



This is a fundamental concept of Christian prayer. Often prayer is just a wish list that we ask the creator for, with an 'Amen' thrown in at the end. Prayer is supposed to be a conversation, not a one way dialog of our demands. When these selfish demands are not delivered, people start to lose what little faith they had. It never occurred to them that some of these things may not have been in their best interests in the long term.

...It argues that Christianity as most see it, is a long, long way off to how it should be.

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I agree, 'Christianity is a long way off from how it should be'. One prime example is the Christian tendency to vilify and hate gay people. But there are other ways. Also, you are right on with prayer. Most people think prayer is basically asking God for favors. I like the line in 'The Shadodlands' when CS Lewis tells his colleague 'prayer doesn't change God. It changes me'.

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from unretired:

Evil is Evil
Good is Good
Life is Life
Death is Death
Gravity is Gravity
Sowing produces reaping.

Keep it simple ... keep it real.

Gays aren't .... "Gay as in happy" ...
They are sad dejected and down people who have a very short miserable life expectancy, on the whole.

Not realizing that simple truth is error.
Homosexuals are deviants who reap what they sow as everyone reaps as they sow, on the whole.

They take it up the ass so to speak much faster and reap destruction in their bodies much sooner, on the whole.

Love them, pray for them, and help them escape their deceived deviant bondage ...
but for Gods sake don't support what is killing them.
Don't be deceived. Agreement and support for evil makes you guilty of the same.

Looks like its going to take awhile. Cryogenics anyone?

 

[StreamlineTrade]

Quote from Gabfly1:

You are putting the bible before education. What is presently the eye first began as tissue that, over the expanse of time, became sensitive to light. Natural selection generally favored those species with such photosensitive tissue. It very slowly evolved from there over a very long period of time.

Actually, this is quite incorrect.

Scientists have shown that what in fact happens is that a mutation suddenly appears. e.g. a tiger with 4 eyes. If those eyes help it to hunt and become the alpha male, then the 4 eye gene mutation becomes dominant over the 2 eyed gene in tigers. This extra set of eyes doesnt simply evolve over 100's millions of years from 'over sensitive fur' or the like.

I dont mean to be rude, but many of you seem to be arguing from a Darwinian stand point when:
a/ Some of you dont seem to understand evolution or the theory
b/ Are arguing against something you clearly know little about, with arguements you know even less about!

I hope that doesnt seem too aggressive.