Gay marriages

Quote from alfonso:

Look, it's a common liberal tactic to demand logical perfection from every position advanced and to then perceive a great victory when positions inevitably fail to live up to mythical perfection.

The simple facts are, as anyone can verify, that the vast majority of male and female couples go on to have kids. To even attempt to argue against this is futile in the extreme.

Couples unable to have children of their own can nevertheless adopt and raise children just like any other normal family; which is quite different to a gay couple attempting the same, for the reasons I've mentioned earlier.

If you don't want to debate based on data, there's nothing left but logic. Your position just isn't logical.

Your response also begs the question of the reason for marriage. What the majority do is immaterial. My question had to do with those who elect to marry and not have children, as well as those who do not bear children after marriage. Yes, childless couples can adopt, but so can gay couples. There is no difference other than that which springs from your own prejudices, which are also the basis for your "reasons".
 
Quote from alfonso:


Despite the thread referring specifically to gay marriage, not homosexual activity per se, I find no reference to it in your post whatsoever. Strawman rules the roost yet again.

Actually, most of the references to gay sexual activity were made by you.
 
Quote from dbphoenix:



If you don't want to debate based on data, there's nothing left but logic. Your position just isn't logical.

Your response also begs the question of the reason for marriage. What the majority do is immaterial. My question had to do with those who elect to marry and not have children, as well as those who do not bear children after marriage. Yes, childless couples can adopt, but so can gay couples. There is no difference other than that which springs from your own prejudices, which are also the basis for your "reasons".



db, you wanna argue? Fine, bring it on. I'm getting sick and tired of you pretending that your operating from some higher logical plane than me.

Leave me out of it. Don't just assert the argument is flawed, show it. And show my why YOur version is any better.

So I'm waiting, please show me how my position is anything but logical. Come on, put up or shut up.

The reasons for differences between gay adoption and straight adoption aren't ONLY mine. Good God, where do you get this crap. They are mine and shared by millions upon millions of others. Just because you don't like them doesn't invalidate their reasoning.

All your crying and sooking isn't going to change a damn thing about the plain, old fashioned FACT -- a concept you might want avail yourself of -- that marriage, as it has been, for thousands of years understood, and IS understood has been the union of man and woman. You want a special kind of union so gays can -- well, I don't know, what the hell do they really need any kind of officially recognized union for, but anyway -- if you want for them, okay, go invent a new one. "Marriage" is taken. Get used to it.


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And please, what freakin data? I'm waiting for YOURS. You are the one that needs to show homosexuality is INHERENT, and that when it pops up later in life, after periods of heterosexual behavior that this was an unavoidable development, that it didn't occur because of external stimuli, but because of someone inherent genetic characteristic of the person.

 
Quote from dbphoenix:



Actually, most of the references to gay sexual activity were made by you.


Db, go @#%#% yourself bro.

I didn't bring it up, it was in response to crap like what Gekko brought up, in the very next post after I specifically called the thread gay marriages.

If you've got nothing better than flame bait to offer up, I suggest you re-read the first sentence of this reply.
 
Quote from alfonso:

Wonderful bungle rider. No doubt you didn't bother to read the contents of the thread.

True, true. I do not have endless hours to kill here.

I read GG's comments on the 1st page and thought they were right on.

Just offering my .02

You should worry less about what other people do and more about yourself. You'll enjoy life more.

Peace,
-b
 
I'm not flaming. I haven't belittled you or ridiculed you in any way. You said early on that you had data to support your position. If you don't, that's fine. Without data, you can argue on the basis of logic. And so far, your position is based not on logic but on your own feelings, attitudes, beliefs, prejudices, not on reason. Whether those feelings and so on are shared by no one else or by millions is not the point. The argument that "it's always been that way" just doesn't hold and never has.

The question of whether homosexuality is genetic or learned is irrelevant to your point that gays should not be allowed to marry. Unless, of course, it is permissible for gays to marry if homosexuality is genetic, but not permissible if it is chosen. Or vice-versa.
 
Quote from bungrider:



True, true. I do not have endless hours to kill here.

I read GG's comments on the 1st page and thought they were right on.

Just offering my .02

You should worry less about what other people do and more about yourself. You'll enjoy life more.

Peace,
-b

RIGHT ON:D
 
Quote from alfonso:

Yuck! How freaking, ... er.. Gay!

What the hell is the world coming to? I just realized the other day that gay marriages are legal in Argentina. Yikes, I weep for the mother country.

How are things in the US? For sure I bet California has legal gay marriages.

In Australia, I may despise PM John Howard's hawkish proclivity to side with the US on every single security issue, but thank heavens he recently came out with a strong statement against gay marriages here. Phew!

This is just plain disgusting; these faggots are taking over the world, and, it seems to me, we heteros -- thanks to mo' fo' ing liberals in our midst -- are not only letting it happen, but we're egging them on. Disastrous!

How does ot work ? Do the guys wear then R I N G S ????

ttrader
 
Quote from axeman:

Sexuality is a grey scale. From extreme heterosexual,
to bisexual to all out gay. This is not a black and white issue.


Even if you consider it some kind of defect, your a freaking
idiot for hating people like this for the same reason you
would be a freaking idiot for hating a retarded person
with a "defect".
i completely agree. axe, you're the man.
 
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