Gay marriages

[alfonso]

Quote from dbphoenix:



Which is essentially the same argument used by whites against racial integration.

Well, it may have been. But there also major differences between racial integration and gay marriage. Important differences.

As far as I'm aware racial integration was basically upholding blacks' constitutional rights. I don't think anyone's denying gays' theirs.

 

[dbphoenix]

Quote from alfonso:

Well, it may have been. But there also major differences between racial integration and gay marriage. Important differences.

As far as I'm aware racial integration was basically upholding blacks' constitutional rights. I don't think anyone's denying gays' theirs.

Important differences such as what?

As to constitutional rights, why shouldn't gays have the right to marry, assuming that marriage is a right and not a privilege?

 

[alfonso]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Alfonso,

Welcome to the dark side. Hope you have a thick skin, you'll need it. Imagine my shock at your position on this issue.


It has already happened in Canada. In Canada it is illegal to publicly criticize homosexuality. Is that we want here? Judging from some of the repsonses here, we are getting close to it.

Hi AAA. Hehe, it was a bit of a turn up for the books!

If what you say is true about Canada that is simply preposterous. Outrageous. I'm shocked, dumbfounded.

How can anyone keep a straight face and tell me gays haven't gone too far?

Criminalizing criticism of homosexuality? Absurd!

My God!

Here we've got a behavioral tendency, prevalent in a *tiny* minority of the population, with absolutely no supporting foundations that it's an inescapable personal characteristic, with doubtful effects on the gross public good, a group of fever-pitch radicals who've hijacked almost every means of public discourse on the matter and it's now illegal to investigate this tendency and bring to light valid criticism?

Ho boy.

 

[alfonso]

Quote from dbphoenix:



Important differences such as what?

As to constitutional rights, why shouldn't gays have the right to marry, assuming that marriage is a right and not a privilege?

Important differences such as racial integration referring to constitutional rights and gay marriage being nothing of the sort.

Marriage, my friend, has always been the union of man and woman. So much of the very society we all function in is grounded upon such a basic principle, and its extension, the two parent, male/female headed family unit, the fundemental building block of society. Changes to such basic fabric should only take place via reasoned discourse, not on the whims of a tiny minority of perennially dissatisfied malcontents, hell bent on shaping society to their image. Hardly an unreasonable request on my part.


ps - Gays do have the right to marry.

 

[dbphoenix]

Quote from alfonso:

Marriage, my friend, has always been the union of man and woman. So much of the very society we all function in is grounded upon such a basic principle, and its extension, the two parent, male/female headed family unit, the fundemental building block of society.

By "two-parent, male/female-headed family unit", I assume you mean a unit that includes children?

 

[alfonso]

Quote from dbphoenix:



By "two-parent, male/female-headed family unit", I assume you mean a unit that includes children?

No, I meant the two parents and the family dog.

Of course I'm including children.

So, can I have it now please db? Is this when I'm going to be wowed by whatever point it is that you've been building up to with your understandable, but nevertheless annoying, two word posts?

 

[dbphoenix]

Quote from alfonso:

Of course I'm including children.

So if a man and a woman wish to marry but not have children should they be allowed to marry anyway? If a couple can't have children, should their union be dissolved?

 

[alfonso]

Quote from dbphoenix:



So if a man and a woman wish to marry but not have children should they be allowed to marry anyway? If a couple can't have children, should their union be dissolved?

Yeah, I had a feeling this is what you'd put up.

Look, it's a common liberal tactic to demand logical perfection from every position advanced and to then perceive a great victory when positions inevitably fail to live up to mythical perfection.

The simple facts are, as anyone can verify, that the vast majority of male and female couples go on to have kids. To even attempt to argue against this is futile in the extreme.

Couples unable to have children of their own can nevertheless adopt and raise children just like any other normal family; which is quite different to a gay couple attempting the same, for the reasons I've mentioned earlier.

 

[bungrider]

People who criticize gays are total freaks. Why they care about what other people want to do with their time is beyond me. In my experience, most people who are homophobic have some homosexual tendencies that they are not comfortable with, and being homophobic is their way of trying to compensate for those uncomfortable feelings.

I only have a couple of friends who are gay, and they are totally open about it. I will admit it is a bit weird and takes some getting used to, especially gay men for some reason, but I think part of it is because I went to a pretty conservative high school & college and just didn't grow up around anyone who was (openly) gay.

What does make me uncomfortable is when gay dudes hit on me in bars. I mean, I'm not uncool about it or anything, it's just weird and feels very strange. I'm not sure why, but it is a bit uncomfortable and I wish I could just shrug it off and not get too freaked out.

But seriously, live and let live.

 

[alfonso]

Wonderful bungle rider. No doubt you didn't bother to read the contents of the thread.

Despite the thread referring specifically to gay marriage, not homosexual activity per se, I find no reference to it in your post whatsoever. Strawman rules the roost yet again.