Gavin Newsom fighting the right fight

[Tsing Tao]

Rudy is batshit crazy..he has not been the man he was for.many years now.

Police presence only.moves crime away from a specific area. Cops in times square is great but again still does not.address crime. So just more police.isnot the answer unless you put cops.everwhere in the Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens.as well. Be it.Jax or NYC it is just not feasible to only add.cops yet leave the squalor all cities suffer from. But it takes $$$$...which cities never have.

I'm not talking about how Rudy is now. I'm talking about what he did when he became mayor.

Police presence brings in revenue through consumers that gets taxed, providing more revenue to the city that they then can deploy to development and more police, repeating the cycle. Eventually, if done right, cities can prosper.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You’re ignoring the macros. We know gun laws impact gun violence rates. Cities don’t have control over those laws. We also know that poverty and crime are connected as well.

But I’m not going to go down this road though. I’m happy to live in a low crime/low gun violence state.

I respectfully disagree with most of your statements in this post.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I'm not talking about how Rudy is now. I'm talking about what he did when he became mayor.

Police presence brings in revenue through consumers that gets taxed, providing more revenue to the city that they then can deploy to development and more police, repeating the cycle. Eventually, if done right, cities can prosper.

everybody loved him back then....as a NYer we knew about Rudy back when he was prosecuting the Mob... we grew up with Rudy and trump.

Rudy become something completely crazy and opposite what he was....trump was well known in NY before Apprentice and he is.exactly as we knew him .

 

[Tsing Tao]

everybody loved him back then....as a NYer we knew about Rudy back when he was prosecuting the Mob... we grew up with Rudy and trump.

Rudy become something completely crazy and opposite what he was....trump was well known in NY before Apprentice and he is.exactly as we knew him .

Alright, I've tried to point out that this isn't about how Rudy is now, but you seem to want to talk about just that.

All I was doing is showing how a mayor can effect real change on a city.

 

[kmgilroy89]

As a mayor Giuliani was extremely popular, even before 9/11. He lost his popularity as he tried to fit in with the national GOP. Politics used to be more local, but we see candidates more and more who are running with the national platform. They tend to have no shot in a general election. Look at MA and MD. They just had very popular moderate Republican governors. Their terms were up so the GOP in those states nominated a couple of extremists who got their asses handed to them. When Phil Scott retires in VT, I wonder who they will nominate to take his place. It's really hard to imagine a Republican winning the mayoral race in a major Democratic city today. Even after all the years of Democratic corruption in LA, they went with Bass over somebody seen to have too many ties to Republicans. There are a few Democrats who know how to win in red states by focusing on local issues like Manchin, Tester, and Peltola, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Alright, I've tried to point out that this isn't about how Rudy is now, but you seem to want to talk about just that.

All I was doing is showing how a mayor can effect real change on a city.

Well it also isnt just about Rudy, you said people dont like him...now we dont, he was loved back then by us NYers.

..but a major trend in NYC that is completely separate from the party of who was in office. Rudy was a Republican, Bloomberg was a Democrat disguising himself as a Rep to win after Rudy and De Blasio is a Democrat. The trope that GOP reduces crime and Dem increases crime is the political argument which is what I am attacking. The downward crime trend in NYC is based on many factors and I argue it has nothing to do with the party. Economic development is the best method to improve conditions of a city and reduce crime across the entire city. Yes you can add police to a bad area and clean it up long term change comes from investment and economic growth and these items are promoted by any and all mayors.

For example stop and frisk reduced crime, but crime continued to drop when it was removed also.

How can people still argue that crime is rampant because of Dems running cities and drops when GOP runs cities. I guarantee crime will increase in any city when there is a recession or economic hardship and that is not hard to predict.

 

[Cuddles]

Well it also isnt just about Rudy, you said people dont like him...now we dont, he was loved back then by us NYers.

..but a major trend in NYC that is completely separate from the party of who was in office. Rudy was a Republican, Bloomberg was a Democrat disguising himself as a Rep to win after Rudy and De Blasio is a Democrat. The trope that GOP reduces crime and Dem increases crime is the political argument which is what I am attacking. The downward crime trend in NYC is based on many factors and I argue it has nothing to do with the party. Economic development is the best method to improve conditions of a city and reduce crime across the entire city. Yes you can add police to a bad area and clean it up long term change comes from investment and economic growth and these items are promoted by any and all mayors.

For example stop and frisk reduced crime, but crime continued to drop when it was removed also.

How can people still argue that crime is rampant because of Dems running cities and drops when GOP runs cities. I guarantee crime will increase in any city when there is a recession or economic hardship and that is not hard to predict.

You need those plots to be made in excel and linked from twitter for the cultists to believe them Ocho.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Well it also isnt just about Rudy, you said people dont like him...now we dont, he was loved back then by us NYers.

..but a major trend in NYC that is completely separate from the party of who was in office. Rudy was a Republican, Bloomberg was a Democrat disguising himself as a Rep to win after Rudy and De Blasio is a Democrat. The trope that GOP reduces crime and Dem increases crime is the political argument which is what I am attacking. The downward crime trend in NYC is based on many factors and I argue it has nothing to do with the party. Economic development is the best method to improve conditions of a city and reduce crime across the entire city. Yes you can add police to a bad area and clean it up long term change comes from investment and economic growth and these items are promoted by any and all mayors.

For example stop and frisk reduced crime, but crime continued to drop when it was removed also.

How can people still argue that crime is rampant because of Dems running cities and drops when GOP runs cities. I guarantee crime will increase in any city when there is a recession or economic hardship and that is not hard to predict.

I'm not arguing about the GOP or the democrats. I'm arguing good or bad mayors have an impact on the city more than the state government does - that's all. You're welcome to do the whole my team your team thing if you want. Both teams have good leaders and both have shitty ones.

However, on the charts you posted, Rudy had crappy numbers because of two major things - it takes time to reverse the trend, and your numbers are showing all numbers of his entire time in office, and he took over when crap was pretty bad. And secondly, you'll have more felonies when you decide to prosecute more. Reminds me of how the San Fran DA was trumpeting that robbery crime was actually down in San Fran, but it ended up being because they stopped arresting people for it. That doesn't actually mean crime is down.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I'm not arguing about the GOP or the democrats. I'm arguing good or bad mayors have an impact on the city more than the state government does - that's all. You're welcome to do the whole my team your team thing if you want. Both teams have good leaders and both have shitty ones.

However, on the charts you posted, Rudy had crappy numbers because of two major things - it takes time to reverse the trend, and your numbers are showing all numbers of his entire time in office, and he took over when crap was pretty bad. And secondly, you'll have more felonies when you decide to prosecute more. Reminds me of how the San Fran DA was trumpeting that robbery crime was actually down in San Fran, but it ended up being because they stopped arresting people for it. That doesn't actually mean crime is down.

I dont think Rudy had crappy numbers,... NYC in the late 1980s became a shit hole for a while...took some time before the internet boom and retail came back.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I dont think Rudy had crappy numbers,... NYC in the late 1980s became a shit hole for a while...took some time before the internet boom and retail came back.

I'm just responding to the chart you posted.