Hi, There is not much to disagree here. I myself took the other side of BoJ actively whenever they intervened, because I knew all these Japanese exporters were selling u/j as BoJ was buying it. BoJ was infact giving a pseudo-bailout to these exporters by giving them the opportunity to sell at a higher level. Also, I had seen SNB fail miserably at their intervention attempts in the markets. For sure, they will drive up the prices 5 big figures but give it 1-3 days and we will be back where we started from. Only time I remember it took a few more days was when BoJ intervened at 82 and drove the price beyond 86 - the first major real intervention sometime in 2010.
The US-JPY swap rate difference being a key factor driving u/j was not really obvious to me when I started out. It took me at least 3 months of observation before I figured out this is really a major driver on day to day trading. About the insignificance of the economic numbers coming out of Japan - thats another thing that caught me off-guard when I started trading Japan. It was interesting to see US numbers having a much bigger impact on Japanese indices/ccy than Japanese numbers. It meant that these numbers somehow didn't mean anything. One big factor that these numbers don't really drive Japanese markets is the supremely complex inter-woven structure of various industries-banks-government in Japan - in the sense that nothing really changes with some economic data point. Workers won't get fired, bad companies will continue to get their loans, banks will continue to come up with schemes to hide their NPAs etc. etc. Basically the world will continue to work as it did yesterday. This might appear a bit of hand-waving, but I am sure you understand what I mean since you have worked in Tokyo. Its called the Japanese way of doing things. Yes, I worked in Tokyo for sometime.
The US-JPY swap rate difference being a key factor driving u/j was not really obvious to me when I started out. It took me at least 3 months of observation before I figured out this is really a major driver on day to day trading. About the insignificance of the economic numbers coming out of Japan - thats another thing that caught me off-guard when I started trading Japan. It was interesting to see US numbers having a much bigger impact on Japanese indices/ccy than Japanese numbers. It meant that these numbers somehow didn't mean anything. One big factor that these numbers don't really drive Japanese markets is the supremely complex inter-woven structure of various industries-banks-government in Japan - in the sense that nothing really changes with some economic data point. Workers won't get fired, bad companies will continue to get their loans, banks will continue to come up with schemes to hide their NPAs etc. etc. Basically the world will continue to work as it did yesterday. This might appear a bit of hand-waving, but I am sure you understand what I mean since you have worked in Tokyo. Its called the Japanese way of doing things. Yes, I worked in Tokyo for sometime.
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I am not sure I can agree with your analysis. You say the currently lower vol environment in u/j, the level above 76, is all due to BoJ and finance ministry intervention, real or verbal. I beg to disagree. If you define intervention success as the ability to move a pair 500 pips then I must agree with you but I would say that this is not what monetary policy should be about. Their mandate is price stability (aka inflation) and the "stability of the financial system" (loosely translated). That means their mandate is not to bother about short term market levels, short term volatility maybe but not absolute levels. Thus, I would argue that they should have a strong interest in price stability in the long run. First of all their mandate is not to support exporters, but hey, which CB holds itself currently accountable to its mandate, nobody. So lets not argue about that part. Fact, however is, that each actual intervention they have undertaken has miserably failed after very short time. One reason was that they did it all on their own instead of performing intervention as a concerted effort.
So, I would hardly argue their interventions as being successful. Markets simply proved them wrong. Now, whether verbal intervention works and whether it can account for u/j currently trading above 76 is another issue, entirely and on this I guess I also have to disagree with you. The reason is that u/j is hugely driven by U.S. and Japanese yield differentials. Also a big driver for long term levels is the fact that a huge proportion of Japanese sovereign debt is held by domestic institutions and households rather than foreigners. This makes the yen the perfect safe heaven currency. Despite the descent of Japanese productivity, the loss of corporate powerhouses internationally Japan is still the relatively safest place to park funds, and there is nothing BoJ or MoF can do against. This in my opinion is what drives the exchange rate medium to longer term not verbal intervention. Who believes those clowns anyway? The last time they have done something that worked out was like when? I dont even remember they ever have set policies that really made sense and that had a lasting impact on market rates. And for that matter I have not seen Nikkei, Japanese stocks, nor any fx rates react to ANY economic releases that came out of Japan, NONE: Car sales, CPI (which cpi...;-), office vancancies, unemployment, and the many totally nonsense figures they report that have zero market impact because they actually mean nothing, not just to the market but to corporations (at least not at the time they are released, car manufacturers through their dealerships know way earlier about those numbers than when they are reported and plan accordingly). Whom are all those ridiculous numbers for that BoJ, Dept of Labor, MoF posts every other day? I have traded in Tokyo for a number of years and still am located in Tokyo so I think I can speak with a little experience backing up my opinions. But please correct me if you think you disagree.
But I agree with your point that such fundamentals are what they are, metrics to which rates have to converge long-term, not in intraday or multi day operations. Traders therefore do have to care about probabilities of interventions. So, in summary yes I do care about whether I believe intervention is imminent. On the other side I believe very deeply that whether u/j is at 100, 80, 60, has nothing whatsoever to do with what Azumi and Co have to say or do, absolutely nothing.
Btw, are you living in Japan? Or Asia for that matter? Your post hours suggest that ;-)
