Fun at the ZLB, and below!?

Monday, March 2, 2015
"What's the Actual Lower Bound?

"Economists had believed that it was effectively impossible for nominal interest rates to fall below zero. Hence the idea of the "zero lower bound." And they had a good reason for believing that. Currency pays a zero nominal interest rate -- that is, a dollar bill today is a dollar bill tomorrow, no more and no less -- and therefore any attempt to lower interest rates on bank deposits below zero will merely result in depositors withdrawing their money and putting it into currency.

"Well, so much for that theory. Interest rates are going negative all around the world. And not by small amounts, either. $1.9 trillion dollars of European debt now carries negative nominal yields, and the overnight interest rate in Swiss franc is around -1 percent annually.

"How can we make sense of that? If people aren't converting deposits to currency, one explanation is that it's just expensive to carry or to store any significant amount of it. Therefore, the true lower bound is some negative number: zero minus the cost of currency storage.

"You're only better off cashing out your bank deposits when the deposit rate is larger than the cost of storage. For example, if it costs you 2 percent annually to store your money in currency, you'll keep your money in the bank even if the bank charges you 1 percent annually.

"That's what Greg Mankiw was getting at when he said this great line about the effects of negative nominal interest rates: "[T]he only thing you’ll generate is a demand for safe assets — and by that I mean...they’re going to be buying a bunch of safes so people can put their money in their safes rather than in the bank."

"But nobody really seems to have a good handle on what the new, negative lower bound might be. So how much would it actually cost, I wondered, to store $10,000 in currency for a year?

"This seems to me a decent, and admittedly entertaining, way of getting a rough estimate of a lower bound. I picked $10,000 because it's about twice the average balance of a savings account in the U.S., giving me a conservative estimate of the average percentage cost.

"A safe deposit box at a bank seems to cost around $100 a year after insurance. Then the average cost of storing currency is about 1 percent annually -- maybe a bit more if you buy a safe.

"Yet, rather obviously, having $10,000 in a deposit box is not the same thing as having $10,000 in a bank account. You can spend from your bank account using a credit card, or you can go to an ATM and withdraw cash. You can't do the same with a safety deposit box.

"How much is that convenience worth? It seems like a hard question, but we have a decent proxy for that: credit card fees, counting both those to merchants and to cardholders. That's because the credit-card company is making exactly the same calculus as we are trying to make -- how much can we charge before we make people indifferent between currency and credit cards? The data here suggest a conservative estimate is 2 percent annually.

"So my rough guess is that the average depositor is probably better off keeping their money at a bank up to a nominal interest rate of -3 percent annually. (This is also what other people said, in an extremely informal poll, would be the most they would accept.) But, from an economic perspective, what we really care about is the marginal depositor -- that is, who has the lowest cost of currency storage?

"And here, I am at a loss. Are there are efficiencies of scale in currency storage? What does the marginal cost curve for currency storage look like?

"Would banks, in response to persistently negative nominal interest rates on deposits, increase the amount they keep in currency in vaults? Or would investors start bidding up the price of any asset that can function as a store of value and try to find ways to make their holdings function more like liquid deposits? Do companies start doing weird things with inventories and working capital?'"

http://esoltas.blogspot.ca/2015/03/whats-actual-lower-bound.html?m=1
 
Monday, March 2, 2015
Or would investors start bidding up the price of any asset that can function as a store of value and try to find ways to make their holdings function more like liquid deposits?

That's precisely what Central Banks have hoped for. Without money entering the greater economy (Central Banks can print, but they can't force banks to lend) the process fizzles out. Investors (in this case banks and hedge funds) can and have bid up commodities, land, etc., but that doesn't do anything for main street except give them cost-push inflation. What central banks want is demand-pull. That aint gonna happen..
 
That's precisely what Central Banks have hoped for. Without money entering the greater economy (Central Banks can print, but they can't force banks to lend) the process fizzles out.
Yep. You can add all the chips you want to the final table, but no amount of that will spontaneously start the tournament over.
 
The nominal yield may be negative, but the real yield is positive. Or perhaps it would be more correct to say the anticipated real yield is positive.
 
I had the same question, but was giving him time to edit.

Unless... what about under deflationary conditions?

That would be the only way, but we don't have that currently so I have no clue what he's talking about.
 
In "Paranormal" Europe, Banks Will Pay You To Borrow, And Charge You To Save


A month ago, we wrote about a bizarre situation involving Denmark's now totally broken monetary system, where as a result of an unprecedented scramble to weaken the currency in order to preserve the peg to the Euro the central bank unleashed a historic rate-cutting scramble, where in 4 consecutive rate cuts its pushed the interest rate to an unheard of -0.75% (while at the same time being the first modern central bank to unveil what we dubbed "Bizarro Backdoor QE"). The culmination of this series of events was the surreal realization by some debtors that the bank would now pay them the interest on their new or existing mortgage.

The insanity was only compounded when one considers that in the vast majority of European countries, depositors are already (or will soon) pay for the "privilege" of providing banks with unsecured funds (in the US, JPM recently also started charging some customers - mostly corporate and hedge funds- for holding their deposits).

In short, this is what Europe has become: savers - those who diligently put away the fruits of their labor - are now forced to pay, using banks as an intermediary, and subsidize the the debtor: spenders, who live beyond their means, and who in increasingly more frequent situations are now paid to take out even more debt! Call it monetary socialism.

Which is probably why with a one month delay, none other than the NYT decided to cover precisely this topic with "In Europe, Bond Yields and Interest Rates Go Through the Looking Glass"

Here is the story in a nutshell, shown with pictures so even central bank idiots and other economist PhDs will get it:

A Denmark bank will pay Eva Christiansen, left, $1 a month for taking out a loan. Ida Mottelson's bank will charge her to hold her money:



The key highlights from the NYT story:



At first, Eva Christiansen barely noticed the number. Her bank called to say that Ms. Christiansen, a 36-year-old entrepreneur here, had been approved for a small business loan. She whooped. She danced. A friend took pictures.



“I think I was so happy I got the loan, I didn’t hear everything he said,” she recalled.



And then she was told again about her interest rate. It was -0.0172 percent — less than zero. While there would be fees to pay, the bank would also pay interest to her.



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... some corporate bonds, which are generally deemed less creditworthy than government bonds, are falling into the negative territory, including some issued by Nestlé and Novartis, a Swiss pharmaceutical company. While they did not initially have negative yields, investors bid up their prices after they were issued. “This is obviously a once-in-a-lifetime and once-in-history phenomenon,” said Heather L. Loomis, a managing director at JPMorgan Private Bank, who specializes in bonds, “and it is hard to make sense of it.”



Ms. Christiansen, a sex therapist, took out a loan to finance a website called LoveShack that is part matchmaking site, part social network. For her, the full novelty of her loan didn’t sink in until a spokeswoman for the bank called her back.



“She said, ‘Hi, Eva, they have contacted us from TV 2’ — it’s a big station in Denmark, one of the biggest — ‘and they would like to talk to you because of this loan,’” Ms. Christiansen said. “Then I was really like, ‘O.K., this is big.’”



She said she was generally aware of what the Danish central bank was doing, but fuzzy on the specifics and had not paid close attention to the issue until she realized she might be asked about it in front of a camera.



“When I was contacted by the television, I was like, ‘O.K., I need to know something,’” she said, laughing, during an interview at her office, where two distant windmills were visible outside the windows. “So I actually called my bank adviser and said, ‘Can we please have a meeting?’ Because all these financial terms, I’m not used to them,” she said. “If I talk about something, I’d like to know something about it.”



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Some other Danes are facing a related, if somewhat opposite, issue.



Last month, Ida Mottelson, a 27-year-old student, received an email from her bank telling her that it would start charging her one-half of 1 percent to hold her money. “At first I thought I had misunderstood this, but I hadn’t,” she said.



Ms. Mottelson is studying for a master’s degree in health sciences, and lives in Odense, a city about 100 miles west of Copenhagen. She said she had been following the news about the central bank, but called her own bank just to make sure she was reading the email correctly.



“I asked him supernaïvely, ‘Can you explain this to me?’ And he tried, but I got the feeling he was like, come on, just move the money and you’ll be fine.”



She does plan to move her money to another bank. “I’m not an expert,” Ms. Mottelson said, “but to me it sounds so weird that you have to pay to have your account at a bank.”

You are right, Ms. Mottelson: it is. And it will only get much weirder from here. Because we have now gotten so far past the looking glass into a world in which the central banks have broken every correlation and logical relationship so profoundly, that nothing makes sense any more; whoever, before the now inevitable grand reset when everything finally collapses under the unsustainable weight of the global house of cards, things will only going get even stranger.

And while we have been lamenting all of this years in advance, all of which we predicted would happen back in June 2012, we are delighted that even the mainstream media has once again, with the usual two to three year delay, caught up with what Zero Hedge readers knew long, long ago.



These are strange times for European borrowers, as if a wormhole has opened up to a parallel universe where the usual rules of financial gravity are suspended. Investors lent Germany nearly $4 billion this week, knowing they would not be fully repaid. Bonds issued by the Swiss candy maker Nestlé recently traded in the market for more than they will ever be worth.



Consumers loans and mortgages with interest rates that are outright negative remain rare, and Ms. Christiansen appears to be one of the few who actually received one while banks mull how to proceed. Some other Danes are getting charged to park their money in their bank accounts.



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Such paranormal financial episodes are taking place all across Europe.

Indeed, call it the new "paranormal", and thank the central-planners for bringing the world to the edge, and beyond, of reason, where nothing makes sense any more. But don't worry, because this time it's different, and there will be a happy ending for everyone involved...
 
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