Freezing January for Easterners Was Not Felt Round the World
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If you are going to try and sneak a CO2 in the gaps argument you are going to have to produce some science showing man made co2 is causing warming in this environment.
what the data shows is that historically co2 lags warming and cooling.
And that in the current data sets... (the ones all the agw nutters use) CO2 lags change in ocean temps (and change in air temps) by 9 months. (see the humlum paper in my previous post, which I will post again... since you ignored it)
So... the burden is on you agw nutters to show that laggard is actually the cause.
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Don't forget the science tells us when oceans warm they off gas co2 and when they cool they eat co2. (which is consistent with the data)
and NASA told us co2 is the most efficient coolant in the upper atmosphere.
what the data shows is that historically co2 lags warming and cooling.
And that in the current data sets... (the ones all the agw nutters use) CO2 lags change in ocean temps (and change in air temps) by 9 months. (see the humlum paper in my previous post, which I will post again... since you ignored it)
So... the burden is on you agw nutters to show that laggard is actually the cause.
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Don't forget the science tells us when oceans warm they off gas co2 and when they cool they eat co2. (which is consistent with the data)
and NASA told us co2 is the most efficient coolant in the upper atmosphere.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658
Abstract
Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets: 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11â12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5â10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.
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see that co2 always lags temperatue.
note you can find the paper for free on the internet
Abstract
Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets: 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11â12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5â10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.
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see that co2 always lags temperatue.
note you can find the paper for free on the internet
Talking points from the dim witted on this site.
What kind of ship were you on? A kayak?
Because he is one hand talking about God and morality and on the other he is lying.
Of course this is just typical right-wing "Christian" hypocrisy. Nothing new there.
This whole issue continues to come from a guy who literally believes Obama actually meant "57 states", and blathered on about it for a year.
Really? You too singed toe? I thought you had just a little class. Guess not. You're just another low-life, ignorant, bigoted righty.
I said I didn't see the comments, just telling you where they continue to stem from.
But yeah, I guess I'm the one with no class, while you're the one throwing out all the insults.
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