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Quote from trendlover:

Look at the monopoly of insurance company in the USA and the corruption.

Hey...hey..hey...corruption in the insurance industry will be handled the same way corruption is handled on wall street, by watching porn.
 
Quote from Lucrum:


Duly noted but then that is NOT what Obama care is now is it?


I don't know for a fact what is in Obama care, just the spin from both sides. I don't plan on reading and doing the research on it either.
I think my idea is better from what I've read and from what I know from experience with the health care industry. It's a mess, if your team comes up with something better or improvements on Obamacare I'd be open.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

in fact the law states that as of 2011 insurance companies are no longer be able to raise insurance premiums for the sake of profit (this is ObamaCare's rate review provision).

This is one part I have a problem with "Profit". I suppose "profit is a dirty word in the health care industry. And Barry is going to fix that.

Let me ask you this, Hollywood has never made a profit on a movie yet all is well and pay is pretty good. How do you suppose this happens? "Accounting." So I don't have much faith premiums will remain low based on profits.

Health insurance co's and hospitals are in the top ten of major crooks in America right up there with congress and too big to fail banks.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

I don't know for a fact what is in Obama care
Yet you fervently support it anyway
....if your team comes up with something better or improvements on Obamacare I'd be open.
I don't have a "team" anymore.
And it's irrelevant even IF you are open to a better idea. Your team, the democraps, are not open to a better idea, yet you also support them anyway.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Yet you fervently support it anyway
I don't have a "team" anymore.
And it's irrelevant even IF you are open to a better idea. Your team, the democraps, are not open to a better idea, yet you also support them anyway.


LOL , fevently ?? I think you have me confused with someone else. And yes my opinions are totally irrelevant, the only reason I even voted is because of the nuts on the right. If yall run some regular guys like you used to I probably wouldn't take the effort to vote.
 
I really wish that Democrats would have discarded their marxist idealogy and approached the healthcare industry with the idea of passing laws that would make insurers good citizens. I would like to have seen laws prohibiting cancelling an insurance policy for anything other than fraud on the part of the insured. The approach they took is in the form of price controls and those have a 2500 year history of never, ever working.. so what they did was get together with the insurers and make up a lot of bullshit that will not, in fact, slow down the obscene profits or runaway corruption. Now they are claiming the intellectual high ground because conservatives didn't have a plan, what a joke...
 
Quote from Lucrum:


That's certainly true enough, only very little thinking was employed in creating ObamaCare. You do know that, right?

Thats true luke,there was very little thinking involved.They mostly just copied the health care plan of the guy you voted for a few months ago
 
Quote from bigarrow:

I don't know for a fact what is in Obama care, just the spin from both sides. I don't plan on reading and doing the research on it either.

I'll be reading "Beating Obamacare" by Betsy McCaughey. I suggest you do, too. After hearing her interview, it sounds like Obamacare is nothing like some in the left keep stating (no surprise). She has read and studied the entire bill.

http://www.amazon.com/Beating-Obamacare-Your-Handbook-Healthcare/dp/1621570797

About the Author:
Betsy McCaughey, Ph.D., is a health policy expert and the former Lt. Governor of New York State. In addition to serving as Lt. Governor of New York, she has taught at Columbia University, held academic appointments in health policy at the Hudson Institute and the Manhattan Institute, written hundreds of articles for publications such as the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Modern Healthcare, The New Republic, and received numerous awards for her writings. She has been featured on ABC’s Good Morning America, the CBS Morning Show, 20/20, and many other national television and radio programs. Dr. McCaughey She is founder and Chairman of RID—Reduce Infection Deaths—a national campaign to support greater infection control in hospitals and other healthcare institutions.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

[BThe fatties who live on fast food and bacon and all you can eat breadsticks pay much more health care premiums than those who eat healthy, this might make too much sense for either side. [/B]

So, why not let the insurance co's charge more to people with unhealthy habits? Obamacare says they can't do that effectively. They are only allowed to charge a certain % over the median payment.

All Obamacre does is put the existing system (employer paid HC) on steroids. Get laid off, lose your HC.

The "right", as you put it, does have a better plan. Health savings accounts. I have one and used it to lower what would have cost $3,000 to $600. The only reason I did that is because I had an incentive to save since I am on the hook for the 1st $2,500 I spend each year. Look at Lasik and cosmetic surgery. Both have come down drastically in price and yet neither is covered by standard health insurance. That's the market at work. As long as you have those "fatties", again as you put it, paying a $20 co-pay, why the hell would they have any incentive to care about costs?
 
Quote from wjk:

I'll be reading "Beating Obamacare" by Betsy McCaughey. . [/B]

I haven't read her book but she has published articles and the articles are pretty good.
 
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