Fractal Theory: Redux

[Sprout]

First, you should eliminate interbar gaps in order to see the cases correctly.Please see the image attached with the examples.

Note: i don`t mark translations - only the internals on my chart.View attachment 172910

Looking at the middle circle in your example, the Internal starts at 10:10 (Bar 1) and lasts for 7 inside bars, first testing the short lateral boundary before BO of the long lateral boundary on the 7th bar. The lateral ends with two closes outside the long boundary.

Bar1 - with a translation short (XR), There is one leg to the 10:10 bar.
Bar2 - SYM 2 FBP, 2 leg
Bar3 - XR, 2 leg
Bar4 - OB, STD (outside bar -stitch down), 3 leg
Bar5 - XB 2 FTP, 1 leg
Bar6 - OB, XR (outside bar - translation short, stitch down), 1 leg
Bar7 - OB, XB (outside bar - translation long, stitch up), 1 leg
Bar8 - XB, BO of lateral, 3 leg


From what I gather from your post, All the bars within a circle would add up to 1 bar. I don't understand how that connects with Jack describing legs of a bar, the dominant sentiment always being the second leg and how synthesizing all the bars of an internal can come up with one bar. Would you clarify?

 

[fordewind]

Not sure where did you oserved 7 inside bars...The internal(FBP) starts at 10:15 on my chart.You then treat the combinations as one bar and what that bar is?that bar is the translation down bar.

I think you misunderstood the leg conseption suggested by Jack.The 'bar leg' is related to the forming bar when it first goes up/down then it goes the opposite, second leg, a dominant leg as you correctly described.It has nothing to do with the internals.

 

[fordewind]

Btw, you can see the 'legs' on my chart as the smal triangles.

 

[Sprout]

Not sure where did you oserved 7 inside bars...The internal(FBP) starts at 10:15 on my chart.You then treat the combinations as one bar and what that bar is?that bar is the translation down bar.

Ok, using your example - the combinations of what? Legs? Bars within the lateral?

What I think I hear you saying is that a FBP (which is formed by the minimum of two bars) can be reduced to a 1 bar example as a translation down (XR) bar. Is this what you mean?

I think you misunderstood the leg conseption suggested by Jack.The 'bar leg' is related to the forming bar when it first goes up/down then it goes the opposite, second leg, a dominant leg as you correctly described.It has nothing to do with the internals.

Maybe I'm mistaken. From my understanding the Internal starts at 10:10. It's this bar that sets the high and low that contains the closes of all subsequent inside bars. In your example there are 7 bars that are contained within the 10:10's bar shadow. There are bar close's outside but not two successive closes prior to the 10:45 BO bar.

Here is the post that describes legs and using them for internals.
SCTlearning from scratch

This was in the context of "trend segments."

 

[fordewind]

Is this what you mean?

Yes.

Maybe I'm mistaken. From my understanding the Internal starts at 10:10. It's this bar that sets the high and low that contains the closes of all subsequent inside bars. In your example there are 7 bars that are contained within the 10:10's bar shadow. There are bar close's outside but not two successive closes prior to the 10:45 BO bar.

Here is the post that describes legs and using them for internals.
SCTlearning from scratch

This was in the context of "trend segments."

The leg of a bar is the leg that follows from the opening of a bar.Bar opens, it then ticking one tick up/down.Then it starts ticking in the opposite direction.It is a dominant leg.It`s all you need to know abot the bar`s legs.It sure can occur in an internal, but that`s another story.

Some times a bar start moving in one direction from the opening.It`s a one leg bar.I don`t bother what a 3 -4 or 44 legged bars are, sorry.

Hope that helps.

 

[Sprout]

Yes.




The leg of a bar is the leg that follows from the opening of a bar.Bar opens, it then ticking one tick up/down.Then it starts ticking in the opposite direction.It is a dominant leg.It`s all you need to know abot the bar`s legs.It sure can occur in an internal, but that`s another story.

Some times a bar start moving in one direction from the opening.It`s a one leg bar.I don`t bother what a 3 -4 or 44 legged bars are, sorry.

Hope that helps.

I've come across some clarity with the legs. Leg 2 is ALWAYS present. Leg 1 and leg 3 are not always present. When seeing a 1 leg move. It's the dominant 2nd leg presenting. There is no fourth leg when viewing a single bar.
Confusion arises in applying the word "leg" in different fractal context. Legs in CW refer to larger trending price movements.

D-D-nD-D-nD-D
B2B2R2B
R2R2B2R

On larger fractal reduces to

Three turn types:
D-D
D-nD
nD-D

The D-D goes through a momentary nD at a (sym, ftp, fbp, hitch) but the end result is D-D.

I'll post the HDHPP D-nD calculator to demonstrate. It's geometric and a toy and in iterative refinement. It's just a slightly different lens by which to perceive JHM.

Yet somehow the child's play is the way to understand some of Jack's concepts.

For any who want to get started with a mental workout, arrange the 10 price cases in a spatial geometry to clarify internals from the rest of the price cases. This spatial geometry is a 2d representation of the profile of a octahedron. The 2-d representation can be printed out 4x. Each sheet is a face, you guessed it, of a 3-d octahedron. There are 2 marked Dom, the other 2 non-Dom.

Next comes assembly,...

 

[Sprout]

The geometry of price case cases.

The tenth case connects the OB to a developing third bar which starts as a SYM. The pattern repeats again.
Sym, ftp, fbp, hitch, make laterals. They also form a smaller fractal that enters and contains price until an exit. They cycle until we have a BO. The top and bottom XB, XR are the BO's that permit the measuring of volume.

 

[Sprout]

Now using the above as a template, create four in total. Notecards are good for this.

Two of the four are Dominants. The others non-Dominants. Of the two in a set, one has increasing vol, the other decreasing.

Color the price bars as you would annotate. Make trendlines. Some supporting the trend, some a BO of trend. Trend being a Bar by bar comparison.

 

[Sprout]

Connect the four by their folded middle diagonal axis in an alternating series.

The effect is like a circular flip book.
Dom to non-Dom, non-Dom to Dom,
Dom to non-Dom, non-Dom to Dom

The transition to Dom to Dom closes the "face" of non-Dom.

 

[Sprout]

A closed face, changes the geometry from four faces to three. The archetype D-nD-D cycling of trends is True.