Found that dude trading CL with an IB account

I love how everyone here knew that prices could go negative


Ya i guarantee you its the fucks that never traded crude, of course all of the suden they all professionals, they say you should've know it goes negative yet i guarantee you these schmucks “didnt know” they gonna get a margin call on their day to day trading or anything can go so low on the shitty picks they do
Lol
 
Usually in unprecedented situations in life, the learning curve is pretty steep for most individuals and groups. Little experience and context to draw upon, even for professionals. Some get annihilated. Extreme examples of risk management on the fly are 9/11 and the hospital meltdowns in parts of Europe with Covid 19.

With what happened in oil, I too was watching what was happening via Sierra charts and my price froze at one cent. I was not in a position, but knew there had to be some major chaos going on.

Hopefully everybody involved, from the CME, FCMs, brokers to traders learned some really important lessons about risk management, which is at the heart of trading, and paying sufficient attention to details! It is just a wonder it did not turn out even worse than it did. Good for IB for trying to straighten things out.


I think the main problem
Here is not so much risk management its lack of notification, who the fuck subscribed to cme newsletters ? Tell me how many traders here so? If shit is to go negative or margins to be raised broker SHOULD tell you, they do when margin raised dont they? Right away, if it goes negative and your informed then its your fuck up, but as trader you rely
On your broker to be able to get in n out of the trade even if they didnt tell you because obviously the prices will
 
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/one-trader-started-day-77000-his-account-end-he-owed-9-million


this reminded me of myself years ago.
price went down. I went to buy thinking it was very cheap.
price went down some more. I went to buy more thinking it was very cheap.
price went down some more. I went to buy more thinking it was very cheap.
price went down some more. I went to buy more thinking it was very cheap.
price went down some more. I went to buy more thinking it was very cheap.
price went down some more. I went to buy more thinking it was very cheap.

finally account had nothing in there and I had to top it up.

You can thank "dollar cost averaging" or Martingale trading strategy for that.
 
I can already smell the scent of massive class action lawsuit. How could a broker so large as IB have screwed up so colossally? :rolleyes:

BTW if my broker gave me an incorrect quote, then any loss I incur is not my responsibility.

ib is reimbursing clients i dont think they will get sued still
 
I love how everyone here knew that prices could go negative

most of the idiots here too that knew it can go negative think its about a loss or being long automatically they assume like idiots, even those that were short are complaining because they couldn't
Get out till prices bounced to positive of which then the price was back to 10, the idiots do NOT get its not the problem that negative prices its that you couldn't trade for professional trades 20 to minus 40 is no different than 80
To 20
 
Or, as somebody else has stated in another thread, their knowledge of the futures market is pretty sketchy.

But you should also know that CME sent out an advisory note regarding negative pricing LONG BEFORE the price actually dipped below zero, so IB had plenty of time to implement this change into their system.

from programming point fo view that might not have been doable but not sure
 
I am used to spread betting. When you can find loop hole to beat those sharks, it is quite satisfying. They often use lots of tricks to stop you winning legitimately. When you win in a way they cant hedge against.

IB is not a spread betting firm. So yeah it is not ethical to knowingly take advantage of them.

IB made clean their clients' losses. If the clients were dealing with a typical spread betting firm, they will be bankrupt for sure.
 
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