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Spyder was a hack. Only study Jack. Once a ve occurs, you accelerate the channel [ all the extra blue lines after ve are inventions ]. Green channel is valid.

Like most others here who have a modicum of dangerous knowledge on the subject of JHPV, I'll let it be known, in passing, that the "spyder was a hack" comment is not called for, and imo, baseless. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That said, I dug up text of a Jack post regarding VE. It confirms the validity of the "extra blue lines". And also offers a possible explanation (I say possible, because volume is not shown) for why the "green channel" may (or may not) be valid.
 

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Like most others here who have a modicum of dangerous knowledge on the subject of JHPV, I'll let it be known, in passing, that the "spyder was a hack" comment is not called for, and imo, baseless. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That said, I dug up text of a Jack post regarding VE. It confirms the validity of the "extra blue lines". And also offers a possible explanation (I say possible, because volume is not shown) for why the "green channel" may (or may not) be valid.

VE - M1 is a very cool rule.
VE M1.png
 
I think there are 2, what I consider basic "rules", that many/most "forget"...
1) VE only occurs after point 3
2) FTT is not a requirement for completion.

Wish you included the volume.

This is being tested within an automated system.I do not add volume to the mix.
 
I think there are 2, what I consider basic "rules", that many/most "forget"...
1) VE only occurs after point 3
2) FTT is not a requirement for completion.

Wish you included the volume.

From my dataset:
1) Correct.
On the fastest fractal, a pt3 can be bwt the 2nd and third leg of a bar, the VE being within the 3rd leg.
Or more common, the 2nd bar of a two bar combination.
Or on the n+1 bar of a n +1 bar combination, n>=1. This is typical of a lateral movement prior to a BO and VE or FBO and FTT of traverse/channel or BO on one fractal and then FTT on faster fractal.

2) Incorrect. FTT's always occur after a pt 3 either before or after a VE. When Pace accelerates then VE. When Pace de-accelerates then FTT. A VE is not necessary for completion but a FTT by it's nature is a completion. Whether an exhaustion of the current dominant or an interruption by a new opposite dominant.

Of the three turns, two go to Dominant.
C turns - Dom to Dom,
2 and multi bar formations - B2B, R2R, and single bar formations OB (IBGS)
B turns - Non Dom to Dom - 2B, 2R, OB (IBGS)

Sometimes price lifts on low volume but only on a larger (frequently unseen) short channel.

Tiddlywinks, The FTT can occur within a bar perhaps this is what you mean. If you have an example at hand, it would be interesting to see the difference.
 
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Spyder was a hack. Only study Jack. Once a ve occurs, you accelerate the channel [ all the extra blue lines after ve are inventions ]. Green channel is valid.

His work speaks for itself and deserves the highest respect. Different people need to hear it in different ways. I derived tremendous value from Spydertrader's work. He helped open up Jack's concepts to countless folks including me and was an exceptional example of transference and paying it forward. I became profitable from his approach in teaching Jack's material.

He walked his talk and supported others to do the same.
 
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