For my Christians Friends

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he works exactly like we would expect if there were no god at all.
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The alledged reality of this world would prove that God is:

A. Insane
B. Dead
C. Non-existent

Do not underestimate to what length the mind that makes this world will go to prove this. It makes bodies. It kills them. It matters not what day or age. If this world were real, God would indeed be cruel...hence, insane. Who punishes the body is insane. The body is made *for* punishment. The *innocent* are not at all exempt. If anything, they are targeted. The headlines would prove this if you would read between the lines.

The sane - those welcoming salvation - would recognize just how mad this world is...rather, just how unreal it must be. There is absolutely no truth in it whatsoever. Everything is an appearance propped up to decieve. Once you can understand that it is all about self-deception, you are well on your way home.

God is not welcome here. The body itself is a fence that would keep love out. Death is simply more proof that the fence works, making bodies safe from love. Bodies are extremely limited devices made to nail a byte of mind down to earth...where it is beset with a multitude of plagues and problems. Sickness and death *prove* the truth about God is untrue. The embodied mind is pounded down until it agrees that the symbols of hatred are actually "love". Rather, every aspect of this world is a form of vengeance...an attack on God.

Yet, all participants are equal to God. God is all there is. So it is a God-on-God attack, so-to-speak. Our Father does not return attack with attack. He does not respond to it except to save the warriors from themselves, whenever they are ready to lay down their arms. The fighting ones are hardly aware how much they *will* to fight, and how unwilling God is to overrule a will equal to his. The question then comes down to, *what do you want?* See how much you want this world...and then question why you seem to want it. Question everything about it. It is worthy of doubt.

Jesus
 
Quote from volente_00:

What does someone making a poor choice and their action hurting another have anything to do with the existence of God ?
You atheist really are getting desperate now.







http://www.ainglkiss.com/bibst/job.html
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it only goes to show that if a god exists he isnt a loving god. if a deity has the power to end suffering and evil but refuses to do so it makes him a cruel sadistic monster. why should one worship a cruel sadistic monster?

Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
 
Quote from vhehn:

it only goes to show that if a god exists he isnt a loving god. if a deity has the power to end suffering and evil but refuses to do so it makes him a cruel sadistic monster. why should one worship a cruel sadistic monster?

Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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Good stuff.
 
Quote from volente_00:

What does someone making a poor choice and their action hurting another have anything to do with the existence of God ?
You atheist really are getting desperate now.







http://www.ainglkiss.com/bibst/job.html
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According to a study published in the February 2002 issue of Campaigns and Elections, a Washington magazine, Christian conservatives exercised either "strong" or "moderate" influence in 44 Republican state committees, as compared to 31 committees in 1994. They were weak in only 6 states in the Northeast.

Theocracy, anyone?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/taking_over.htm

http://www.theocracywatch.org/introduction2.htm
 
Quote from vhehn:

it only goes to show that if a god exists he isnt a loving god. if a deity has the power to end suffering and evil but refuses to do so it makes him a cruel sadistic monster. why should one worship a cruel sadistic monster?

Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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When an earthquake happens in China, where is atheism? And what does it offer in the way of human connection and support?
 
Quote from vhehn:

it only goes to show that if a god exists he isnt a loving god. if a deity has the power to end suffering and evil but refuses to do so it makes him a cruel sadistic monster. why should one worship a cruel sadistic monster?

Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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Yes, It goes to show that if our Father made this world he isn't loving. Neither would he be loving if he limited his Son in any way. The world is the expression of unlimited power, used in an unloving way. Man is limited. So it is an unloving expression of creative power. However, it is done to Self. Can Self blame Self? Can Self haul Self into court, make him pay or send him to hell? Self is everything. What court would Self go to? What prison could hold him? The world is a hypothetical thesis that imagines this - unfreedom - is possible and real. It is not our Father's will. As such, the world is the expression of freedom, used to portray non-freedom. Our Father has nothing to do with it, except to provide a way for his Son to save himself from it. Neither was this way without the Son's approval. The Son then used freedom to get himself so lost he would not find his way out except through a Guide. It was completely unnecessary except to answer a curious, nonsensical question about Self. In a flash the total holograph of time and everything it seems to contain was hypothetically constructed. No sooner was it built it was abandoned and dismantled with the help of the God-given Guide. *Those* who yet seem to linger in time have yet to choose to abandon the worthless. The world still seems to be "thy will". So long as that is so, it is God's will that "thy will be done", whether in heaven or "on earth", which is nowhere. This is an expression of love because it is an expression of unlimited freedom. The very idea that the Son could be unloving is impossible, so it must be hypothetical. The world is a hypothetical idea thought through in minute detail, exploring every possible iteration of nonsense. No sense was ever found, so it was abandoned. It will pass away.

Meanwhile, man believes himself to think. Yet whatever he thinks has already been thought by the thinking machine the Son made to make this world. Man merely rides these thoughts like a rollercoaster at an amusement park. "Experience" is merely the realistic thinking through of a hypothetical theme. At no time is man dealing with anything other than thought. None of the thought that makes this world is at all real or makes any sense. It is so unreal, it is literally not happening, though it is masked so well that it seems so. Is this not wicked? It is indeed wicked. Experience is alien to reality. It is not necessary. Yet the world is entirely about experience(s) in the realm of the unknown. Heaven is the realm of the known. To have such experiences, the known must be denied. This leads to ignorance and the experiences it offers. Such is the world. Such is hell.

Jesus
 
Quote from vhehn:

it only goes to show that if a god exists he isnt a loving god. if a deity has the power to end suffering and evil but refuses to do so it makes him a cruel sadistic monster. why should one worship a cruel sadistic monster?

Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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Could it be because the suffering one endures on earth is just temporary ?
 
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When an earthquake happens in China, where is atheism? And what does it offer in the way of human connection and support?
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Atheists have nothing to do with causing earthquakes in China, but they may well be giving money to help out the suffering.

If God doesn't give a $hit about people, why do they keep kissing God's a$$?
 
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