For my Christians Friends

[stu]

Quote from DerekD:

Have faith.

well ook, but it wud have to be very very blind

 

[volente_00]

Quote from DerekD:

Volente,

For the last time, I mean it too, where did anyone say that it is impossible for a higher power to exist?

Some on here are so closed minded that they believe different from your viewpoint. I have never included you in that category. Atheism is mainly based on a hate of religion. There are strong correlations through scientific studies that show those that are atheist have a high % chance of having had troubles with their own fathers. This alone keeps them from getting in touch with the father of the universe. The common theme with atheist is their hate of religions, but as I have said all alone that with an open mind one can still believe in a higher power and not be religious at all.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from Turok:

Me:
>Dude, it's been established by V00 and it's perfectly simple.
>Until the child has searched *everywhere* in every known
>(and unknown) universe, he/she must not state that he/she
>believes Santa does not exist.

>Anything else is illogical.


V00"
>You want to assert something does not exist with proof ?


Hypothetical:
Your kid asks "Does Santa exist?"

A: Do you answer "No honey, he doesn't. He's a composite fictional character created long ago"?






B: Do you answer "I don't know honey ... I haven't been able to check everywhere."?

It's a serious question V00.

JB

C.

How bout I give my kid an atheist repsonse and start arguing with him on what the defintion of exist even means.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from stu:

Here...Life from mud

Ironic that the bible told of this long before science had a clue


Genesis 3:19:


In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from volente_00:

Ironic that the bible told of this long before science had a clue


Genesis 3:19:


In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.

The Bible also says in the Genesis 1-3 creation accounts that all life appeared within six days. The Bible, in that instance, has no clue whatsoever; indeed, the Bible's writers were essentially clueless about science throughout.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from volente_00:

Some on here are so closed minded that they believe different from your viewpoint. I have never included you in that category. Atheism is mainly based on a hate of religion. There are strong correlations through scientific studies that show those that are atheist have a high % chance of having had troubles with their own fathers. This alone keeps them from getting in touch with the father of the universe. The common theme with atheist is their hate of religions, but as I have said all alone that with an open mind one can still believe in a higher power and not be religious at all.


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One can believe in ANYTHING and still not be religious.

The possibility that some higher being exists does not mean that it does. A lot is possible, but not necessarily probable.

Pretty much everything that exists can be explained without plugging in a creator/designer.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from smilingsynic:

The Bible also says in the Genesis 1-3 creation accounts that all life appeared within six days. The Bible, in that instance, has no clue whatsoever; indeed, the Bible's writers were essentially clueless about science throughout.

A skeptic could also argue what exactly was the definition of a day back then.

Is it scientifically possible that the earth was rotating a lot slower compared to today's speed?

 

[volente_00]

Quote from smilingsynic:

Quote from volente_00:

Some on here are so closed minded that they believe different from your viewpoint. I have never included you in that category. Atheism is mainly based on a hate of religion. There are strong correlations through scientific studies that show those that are atheist have a high % chance of having had troubles with their own fathers. This alone keeps them from getting in touch with the father of the universe. The common theme with atheist is their hate of religions, but as I have said all alone that with an open mind one can still believe in a higher power and not be religious at all.


[/QUOTE

One can believe in ANYTHING and still not be religious.

The possibility that some higher being exists does not mean that it does. A lot is possible, but not necessarily probable.

Pretty much everything that exists can be explained without plugging in a creator/designer.

So if the earth and life is just random, then why nothing like it on any of the other planets ?


Everything in the masterpiece fits together to perfectly for just randomness to have been the cause.

 

[acronym]

Quote from volente_00:

So if the earth and life is just random, then why nothing like it on any of the other planets ?


Everything in the masterpiece fits together to perfectly for just randomness to have been the cause.

Wait a minute, if there is no life anywhere else (given, we dont have the technology to actually find it even if it was out there) wouldn't random fluke become even MORE plausible?

 

[Turok]

Quote from volente_00:

C.

How bout I give my kid an atheist repsonse and start arguing with him on what the defintion of exist even means.

Unless you can explain your answer better, I'm simply gonna take it as a total copout to the question.

You have maintained quite continually during this thread that when it comes to the existance of entities, there is only ONE logical position ... agnostic.

Your definition of agnostice has clearly been defined in this thread as one who says "I don't know" when asked if a entity exists.

If you tell your kid that Santa (or GI Joe, or Batman, or the Tooth Fairy, or Unicorns, or , or, or ... doesn't exist, you are taking an illogical position according to your own words.

I find it hard to believe that your position, so strongly state here, is one you actually take in your own life as it applies to other entities.

JB