And if that argument doesn't support the existence of a God that you should worship and pray to, and validate ancient "holy" books, then I don't know what does.
For my Christians Friends
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Since you are so clever, let us have a dialogue on why you are so convinced that he "destroyed my arguments."
I say he is a clueless twerp, who makes unfounded assertions, and keeps banging his drums until you want to turn the volume off on him, as I did. I have seen better arguments from a high schooler.
I would like to see your airtight explanation, giving the original assertions, summarizing his "powerful arguments" against, plus of course, the "destruction of my arguments"
You may use induction, deductive reasoning, proof by contradiction, or other well accepted logical standard. But make it "logical", not "emotional" And no "proof because I say so"
Or do you just like to hear the sound of your own posts, but are in reality, unaware of the difference between stupid and convincing arguments? Are you capable of backing up what you say??????
No 6th grade explanations, please
And by the way... I'm not a hypocrite.
No, you are a funny little person who struggles to understand what is going on...
Why is it that many of the theist posters attempt to qualify themselves?
For instance "I'm a business man and a scientist."
Or, the mother of all grand standing, "I have 3 degrees. You know nothing."
Or this one takes the cake, "we're wanted men. We have the death sentence on 12 systems."
Oh wait, that last one was from Star Wars. Dude in the Cantina who got his arm lopped off by Obi-wan.
For instance "I'm a business man and a scientist."
Or, the mother of all grand standing, "I have 3 degrees. You know nothing."
Or this one takes the cake, "we're wanted men. We have the death sentence on 12 systems."
Oh wait, that last one was from Star Wars. Dude in the Cantina who got his arm lopped off by Obi-wan.
Wow, judging from the way you write you must have a very good education. I have a degree but damn you must have at least 2 or 3 degrees to write like you do. Please tell us about your education and how you became so smart. I venture to say you write as well as someone who has 4 degrees and not just regular common man degrees but degrees in science and maybe biology. Please tell us about your education. I understand if you can't because of modesty. I can understand if you don't because only a very insecure man would brag about his education.
All that religions do is divide different types of people, which then generally leads to conflict (i.e. war on terror/indirectly Islam).
About one-third of the world population is Christian. Does that mean that the remaining 66% of the world is praying/worshipping to the wrong God(s). Please also remember Catholics and Protestants as well as other groups interpret the bible differently. Who is right?
We must also realize the history of Christianity, which involves European missionaries frequently forcing peoples of other lands into becoming Christian. Sometimes this influence was done by the sword. Basically, many people were forced to become Christian.
I obviously developed a secular way of thinking. I am Roman Catholic and was actually heavily involved in the church when I was younger. I was even an alter boy. Now that I have grown older, however, I realized all the evils of the church. Obviously faith can heal people, but we must also identify all the errors of the church. We must also realize that we are not a dominant group because we adhere to a certain beliefs.
About one-third of the world population is Christian. Does that mean that the remaining 66% of the world is praying/worshipping to the wrong God(s). Please also remember Catholics and Protestants as well as other groups interpret the bible differently. Who is right?
We must also realize the history of Christianity, which involves European missionaries frequently forcing peoples of other lands into becoming Christian. Sometimes this influence was done by the sword. Basically, many people were forced to become Christian.
I obviously developed a secular way of thinking. I am Roman Catholic and was actually heavily involved in the church when I was younger. I was even an alter boy. Now that I have grown older, however, I realized all the evils of the church. Obviously faith can heal people, but we must also identify all the errors of the church. We must also realize that we are not a dominant group because we adhere to a certain beliefs.
What's funny about rcan is that he claims to be a Calvinist.
Well, a Calvinist takes the position that if you are not chosen to believe you wont. But the Calvinist also takes the position that faith comes from God and is a product of God's predestined will.
What's more, if all is by faith and faith justifies, there can not be proof of God since proof constitutes knowledge. And knowledge spoils the paradigm of faith.
Sop Rcan... traderzones, would be wise to say, "Nope, no proof of God, yet I believe anyway." And know what? Who would have a problem with that?
Theists, it's ok to believe in unproven things. Everyone does at some point in their lives. The problem is, just because you believe it so strongly doesn't make it so. Apply that to anything, not just religion and you'll begin to understand the atheist argument.
Remember, we you believe something, you assert it. When you know something, you prove it.
When you disbelieve something, you are not asserting anything but concluding.
Does one who does not believe in Santa Claus, assert that Santa Claus doesn't exist? Think about how a child goes about finally disbelieving in Santa Claus. Isn't it because the assertion that Santa exists fails? Isn't it that the child comes to the conclusion based on contrary evidence and lack of evidence that Santa therefore does not exist? Or must the child remain agnostic about Santa Claus just because many of his peers still believe as if belief is somehow indicative of a truth?
Well, a Calvinist takes the position that if you are not chosen to believe you wont. But the Calvinist also takes the position that faith comes from God and is a product of God's predestined will.
What's more, if all is by faith and faith justifies, there can not be proof of God since proof constitutes knowledge. And knowledge spoils the paradigm of faith.
Sop Rcan... traderzones, would be wise to say, "Nope, no proof of God, yet I believe anyway." And know what? Who would have a problem with that?
Theists, it's ok to believe in unproven things. Everyone does at some point in their lives. The problem is, just because you believe it so strongly doesn't make it so. Apply that to anything, not just religion and you'll begin to understand the atheist argument.
Remember, we you believe something, you assert it. When you know something, you prove it.
When you disbelieve something, you are not asserting anything but concluding.
Does one who does not believe in Santa Claus, assert that Santa Claus doesn't exist? Think about how a child goes about finally disbelieving in Santa Claus. Isn't it because the assertion that Santa exists fails? Isn't it that the child comes to the conclusion based on contrary evidence and lack of evidence that Santa therefore does not exist? Or must the child remain agnostic about Santa Claus just because many of his peers still believe as if belief is somehow indicative of a truth?
DD:
>Or must the child remain agnostic about Santa Claus
>just because many of his peers still believe as if belief
>is somehow indicative of a truth?
Dude, it's been established by V00 and it's perfectly simple. Until the child has searched *everywhere* in every known (and unknown) universe, he/she must not state that he/she believes Santa does not exist.
Anything else is illogical.
JB
>Or must the child remain agnostic about Santa Claus
>just because many of his peers still believe as if belief
>is somehow indicative of a truth?
Dude, it's been established by V00 and it's perfectly simple. Until the child has searched *everywhere* in every known (and unknown) universe, he/she must not state that he/she believes Santa does not exist.
Anything else is illogical.
JB
You want to assert something does not exist with proof ?
Or do you want to continue to base your assertion on FAITH and be exactly like the theist that you so dearly hate ?
How do you know it alls show proof of non existence?
Oh, I forget, you don't
Merely assert on FAITH and not facts that existence of a higher power is not possible.
âA closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of woodâ
Perhaps sometimes the cycle gets out of whack, similar to some of the poster's brains on here.
