For my Christians Friends

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Yannis:

Watch out v, you're treading on thin ice: "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God", Psalms 14: 1

i have quotes too:
"The masses have never thirsted after truth...Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim."
- Gustave Le Bon

Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you.

written by George Carlin

Robert A. Heinlein Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

 

[dsq]

Quote from Yannis:

You are totally wrong, v, sorry to say.

Science is just another religion, based on the premise that practical logic and its connection to the surface of our mind is more relevant to our lives than feeling, intuition and inspiration connected to our higher mind, our moral compass.

Humans are a lot more than computers, friend, we can do vastly better or worse than any machine, now or in the future. If you could set aside the constant chatter of your mind and listen to God, you would see what I'm talking about.

Ever heard the following saying(?):
"People who talk to god are religious.People who say god talks back to them are schizophrenic."
Science is not a religion.You are confusing science as a philosophy which it is not and which religion is.Religion is mythology,philosophy etc...When it was written it was taken as fact and the people had little evidence to dispute its claims.

 

[flytiger]

Quote from vhehn:


Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you.

You mean, there's not

Ron White, when his grandmother caught him nailing some girl when he was a teenager........

"Do you know when you die you have to review your life in front of God????? What will you say after this???!!!!???"

"Sit down. We're gettin' to the good part."

they actually told us that shit in Catechism, or "Pain and Agony every Monday for Public Shcool kids" as we called it.. I wish I was clever enough to hit 'em with that one. I wish I was lucky enough to have sex at 15. Uh, I mean with another person.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from vhehn:


Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you.
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And he needs MONEY!

 

[Yannis]

Quote from dsq:

Science is not a religion.

Of course it is, you can't "prove" the basic scientific principles to save your life. All math and sciences are based on axioms that are accepted blindly, the key one, as I said before, being that logic is the best guide to understand our experiences and build on them. Of course it cannot, we all know it by just living. Logic is but a small tool among others, our intuitive feelings being the dominant ones. Great scientists like Freud and Einstein made that clear to their followers. Not to mention that if science was not a religion you would have some decent argument to back that up, instead of just insisting that it is not. This belief that science is valid stems from the same place inside your heart that tells me that there is God. I don't say that science is not valid (I have a PhD in Theoretical Physics from UVA) - it is, in its limited domain. But it cannot guide my life, my faith in God and resulting experience does.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Yannis:

I don't say that science is not valid (I have a PhD in Theoretical Physics from UVA) - it is, in its limited domain. But it cannot guide my life, my faith in God and resulting experience does.

but it can show you that your faith in a god is misplaced. every scientific test we devise to look for any god comes up negitive. is it rational cling to primitive superstitions like gods in the face of such a lack of evidence?

Galileo Galilei : I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them

“Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give in. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible clam about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever”

written by Sam Harris

 

[I am...]

Quote from Yannis:

I don't say that science is not valid (I have a PhD in Theoretical Physics from UVA) - it is, in its limited domain. But it cannot guide my life, my faith in God and resulting experience does.

Did you study with Stanley Sobottka, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Virginia?

http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1769393#post1769393

 

[Yannis]

Quote from vhehn:

every scientific test we devise to look for any god comes up negitive.

Of course it does! God is way beyond our puny little mind, and logic is such a tiny part of that mind too. You cannot put a great, big mountain in your pocket, there's no room. Everything about God are supra-logical concepts, you need much greater faculties to even start coming to grips with His presence and intentions.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Yannis:

Of course it does! God is way beyond our puny little mind, and logic is such a tiny part of that mind too. You cannot put a great, big mountain in your pocket, there's no room. Everything about God are supra-logical concepts, you need much greater faculties to even start coming to grips with His presence and intentions.

god commands we worship him yet he hides and refuses to allow us to have any indication he exists? isnt that a bit unfair and counterproductive?

Gene Roddenberry: We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes

 

[I am...]

Quote from vhehn:

i have quotes too:
"The masses have never thirsted after truth...Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim."
- Gustave Le Bon

This quote would have more value if you placed "masses" before time and space. Let "masses" symbolize the idea of separation, autonomy, special status...everything that is untrue about the oneness of the Father and the Son. Let "their master" be a made-up thinking machine. Call it whatever..."ego", "devil", "god". Let it supply the masses with illusions, and let the masses cherish them as their own. Such is the world.

Quote from vhehn:

god is a manmade concept. how can it speak? what you think you hear is nothing more than your emotions working. its all in your head.

The god of this world is a masses-made concept. It's voice is an hallucination.

Quote from vhehn:
but it can show you that your faith in a god is misplaced. every scientific test we devise to look for any god comes up negitive. is it rational cling to primitive superstitions like gods in the face of such a lack of evidence?

It is not rational to cling to the god-of-this-world, no. Faith makes it, but faith can be redirected back to the true God...who does not make this world. It's no surprise science comes up negative. Science is within the domain of the god-of-this-world, which attempts to obliterate truth, as symbolized by the big bang. Science is unable to reach beyond the big bang with any degree of certainty...and only reaches relative certainty this side of the big bang.

Keep in mind, for me to say "the big bang" is relative. It is not the truth. It, like everything else in this world, is a hypothetical construct in a mind which invents consciousness to look at possibilities within the realm of the impossible.

Jesus