For most CV is just another flu but...

S2007S said:
I dont know how 1 million is a possibility, if they claim we are going the way of china and Italy they then it should peak out in 2-3 weeks so if that is very true 1 million is an extremely extremely extremely extremely fabricated number to even predict.
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I am sorry but China data is not reliable since the Party is covering up a lot. Italy is more reliable (I live in Italy) but the lock down you have in place in some stated in the US is way less severe than in Italy (or Spain for that matter).

Italy has still a long way to go and it is emerging that the number of deaths is quite much higher than as reported since many people are now dying at home without reporting or being tested. This is happening for two main reasons: hospitals admit patients only when the symptoms are very serious and for a number of people that is too late.

Also since once admitted to the hospital you won't be able to see your loved ones many people decide to die at home in the care of their loved ones. It is very sad but it beats the terror of dying alone on an anonymous bed in a hospital.

I hope the number in the US (and in all countries for that matter) will be much lower but I have little hope since the lock down measures are designed to delay the contagion (and hence allowing hospital to care for the many patients) not to stop it long term.
 
Let me explain how the Lock down is in Italy:
As a general rule you have to stay at home, you can go out for the following reasons:
  • to the supermarket (of pharmacy and very few other commercial outlets) to shop and then you need to wait anything between 1 and 3 hours in queue as they only let in one person once a person exit so to keep the number of people shopping at the same time very low (this way you avoid to be close to other people while shopping)
  • to work if you belong to one of the very few category of essential services: medical, pharmacy, public transportation, food shops, food production, and a few other essential businesses
  • to helps an elderly or not self sufficient relative (like I do when I bring groceries to my mum)
  • to take out your dog but only within 200 meters from home
  • to walk or exercise but within 200 meters from home and only alone or with one own kids
That's it. Police can stops you at any time and check that you have a valid reason to be out, if you don't you will be fined between 400 and 4K Euro, or if you are supposed to be in quarantine because you have CV19 you will face felony charges that may easily land you in jail.

These measures are very serious and very hard to live with but the vast majority of people here understand they are necessary and take them seriously.
 
If the hospitals are full then maybe that whys Italy looks like it has peaked.

The figures just really represent the number death and new cases that reach hospitals but since there is maximum they can take it looks like things have topped out.

But more and more people continue to get infected and die outside hospitals.
 
Vindago said:
Let me explain how the Lock down is in Italy:
As a general rule you have to stay at home, you can go out for the following reasons:
  • to the supermarket (of pharmacy and very few other commercial outlets) to shop and then you need to wait anything between 1 and 3 hours in queue as they only let in one person once a person exit so to keep the number of people shopping at the same time very low (this way you avoid to be close to other people while shopping)
  • to work if you belong to one of the very few category of essential services: medical, pharmacy, public transportation, food shops, food production, and a few other essential businesses
  • to helps an elderly or not self sufficient relative (like I do when I bring groceries to my mum)
  • to take out your dog but only within 200 meters from home
  • to walk or exercise but within 200 meters from home and only alone or with one own kids
That's it. Police can stops you at any time and check that you have a valid reason to be out, if you don't you will be fined between 400 and 4K Euro, or if you are supposed to be in quarantine because you have CV19 you will face felony charges that may easily land you in jail.

These measures are very serious and very hard to live with but the vast majority of people here understand they are necessary and take them seriously.
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Have you read the news on .......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/


Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University.

This number would still be insufficient to reach herd immunity, which would require 2/3 of the population (about 40,000,000 people in Italy) having contracted the virus [source].

The number of deaths could also be underestimated by 3/4 (in Italy as well as in other countries) [source], meaning that the real number of deaths in Italy could be around 60,000.

If these estimates were true, the mortality rate from COVID-19 would be much lower (around 25 times less) than the case fatality rate based solely on laboratory-confirmed cases and deaths, since it would be underestimating cases (the denominator) by a factor of about 1/100 and deaths by a factor of 1/4.
 
Turveyd said:
UK death data is screwed, was 108 yesterday then raised for 400+ cause they found a lot of heart attack victims, home alone, then tested and slotted them into the had the virus category, despite heart attack being the actual cause. Same today I presume, or 1 hell of a jump.

UK could easily stay under 10K, we'll say 15K / 68Mil ?? = %0.022 and 1/2 those 15K are BS, they are saying, deaths tested with, not caused by.

Regular Flu 17K per year, 0.024% ( they round to 0.1% )
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I think the problem is that the virus stresses the body as it fights it so you then get a heart attack which you wouldn't have had without the virus.
 
Turveyd said:
3 days ago, it was 108, then they added in, heart attacks where the person tested positive for C19, literally it was on the news, last 3 days have been inflated because of the same.


Huge increase in heart attacks, because people aren't aren't getting any excersize, but we have 500 per day, so it's just some of them have the virus with or without any effect.

London's finished and calming down, beds in this area starting to fill up.

Going to get nasty, don't get me wrong, but still not as nasty as you think, not nasty enough to bankrupt the world for.
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I think that the point is that it would have been far, far worse than it is now if these strict measures hadn't been taken...
 
Pkay said:
I think that the point is that it would have been far, far worse than it is now if these strict measures hadn't been taken...
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Not at this point, no effect to here onwards yes so we'll see what happens from here.

Not seeing much of an effect from lockdowns, seems most houses have 1 infected so just moving to other occupant's.

Old and at risk 2 weeks earlier asked not told to self isolate would of been much better then not the lockdown.
 
Vindago said:
Let me explain how the Lock down is in Italy:
As a general rule you have to stay at home, you can go out for the following reasons:
  • to the supermarket (of pharmacy and very few other commercial outlets) to shop and then you need to wait anything between 1 and 3 hours in queue as they only let in one person once a person exit so to keep the number of people shopping at the same time very low (this way you avoid to be close to other people while shopping)
  • to work if you belong to one of the very few category of essential services: medical, pharmacy, public transportation, food shops, food production, and a few other essential businesses
  • to helps an elderly or not self sufficient relative (like I do when I bring groceries to my mum)
  • to take out your dog but only within 200 meters from home
  • to walk or exercise but within 200 meters from home and only alone or with one own kids
That's it. Police can stops you at any time and check that you have a valid reason to be out, if you don't you will be fined between 400 and 4K Euro, or if you are supposed to be in quarantine because you have CV19 you will face felony charges that may easily land you in jail.

These measures are very serious and very hard to live with but the vast majority of people here understand they are necessary and take them seriously.
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You have to take population density into account. It’s the fuel for exponential growth. European countries are dense, very dense as a whole. That being said, we are practicing a semi lockdown here in miami. There is just no way they can implement the above I’m afraid.
 
Turveyd said:
UK Caved to snowflake pressure sadly.

Sweden, we'll see and judge how it goes and if they stick it out, which I suspect they will, Israel I believe isn't locking down either.

If Swedens, Dead %%% isn't far of say the UK's, then I say that's a worthy trade of, they won't be claiming deaths that aren't covid19 that's for sure.

Be Fine, by the time UK locked down, too late especially in London most of us already have it, just awaiting symptoms and lots coming down with currently.

Swedens army is building a big hospital to handle the surge, be fine. Population 10Mil, tad bigger than London or NYC!!
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As the number start to increase at a faster pace in Sweden since April 1st...the government are rethinking their liberal policy towards Covid-19 mainly due to the fact that they have a higher fatality rate (7.6%) than most countries of those that have tested positive for Covid-19. In comparison, the U.S. has a fatality rate of (3.2%) of those that have tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-change-1.5522852

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist overseeing the government’s response to COVID-19 has said the government should allow the virus to spread slowly through the population, an approach initially employed by the United Kingdom and the Netherlands before both countries rapidly changed strategy amid mounting evidence that this approach would still overburden health care systems.

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