For discussion: Do liberals injure blacks?

No, in the eyes of humanity...

Inhumane racists like yourself just don't get it.



Quote from spect8or:

Which is more or less 'eyes of God' equality. Or a legal equality. And as far as that goes, that's fine. But it's also important to remember that there's nothing 'real' about it. People are born with different potential and if potential is distributed differently among different groups (racial groups included, as evidence amply demonstrates it is) then that's just an aspect of reality we need to come to grips with. Feel-good 'declarations' won't change any of it. And neither can feel-good declarations change how people feel about other people. It might be one thing to say all men are equal under God, or in the eyes of the law, but quite another to get me to attach the same value to some starving Ethopian as I would to my father - even a hundred starving Ethopians. And since most people think as I do - we value different people differently - you get persistent in-group/out-group formations appearing.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

No, in the eyes of humanity...

Inhumane racists like yourself just don't get it.

No, reality-ignoring do-gooders like you don't get it.

And what on earth is intrinsically inhumane about understanding reality? Surely a more accurate understanding of reality ought to form the basic point of departure in trying to improve the world, ought it not?

Quite clearly, imo, efforts up to now have not improved things much (and often made them worse) precisely because of a defective grasp of reality.

Some question whether African aid helps
When the world’s richest nations promised to double aid to the poorest, most of them in Africa, at least one African was appalled. And not because he thought the pledges were too little or would never be realized. He thought they were too much.

“The best thing the West can do is to do nothing for Africa,” Andrew Mwenda, a Ugandan writer and radio host, said during a recent visit to Britain, which a year ago chaired the Group of Eight summit at which those ambitious aid pledges were made.

“Throwing money at African dictators cannot be a solution to ending poverty,” said Mwenda. He charged that democracy in Africa had been stalled by aid, because leaders focused on responding to donors, not their own citizens.
 
You really don't get it, do you.


Quote from spect8or:

No, reality-ignoring do-gooders like you don't get it.

And what on earth is intrinsically inhumane about understanding reality? Surely an a more accurate understanding of reality ought to the form the basic point of departure in trying to improve the world, ought it not?

Quite clearly, imo, efforts up to now have not improved things much (and often made them worse) precisely because of a defective grasp of reality.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You really don't get it, do you.

Not really, no. But you don't make much of an effort to explain it, either. As far as I can tell, I'm completely justified in my views.
 
Pre-judice.

You can rationalize your racism all you like. That really is what you do all the time around here.


Quote from spect8or:

Not really, no. But you don't make much of an effort to explain it, either. As far as I can tell, I'm completely justified in my views.
 
Quote from spect8or:

Is it really the crime of the century to admit you prefer the company of Europeans over Africans, Indians or East Asians? Why? It is self-evident that blacks prefer blacks, Chinese prefer Chinese, Mexicans Mexicans etc. Why must Europeans be the only people forced to pretend otherwise?


Ive never looked at it this way but it has some truth to it.
 
My girlfriend is a diversity trainer, national speaker and author. Contracted regularly by major national corporate clients and self-employed for almost twenty-five years now. I am neither a liberal democrat, nor a critical republican. And we are African American. The radio show study no matter how you couch it, is basically true.

We talk about this regularly as she has this trouble with many of her corporate mandated attendees really getting to say what they want to really say. They are all walking the PC lines as tightly as they can. They acknowledge that things might not be right and that it's truly not their fault but they are ready to help change things. And I do personally find it funny, and sad.

I can walk into a liberal group of her friends and listen to their opinions. I can scowl, make a strong African American male counter statement, and then watch the whole group squirm. I regularly tell them about how they are crippling many people with their "I'm there for/with you brother" attitudes, policies, postures. Especially when they have their cume-by-ya moments.

It amazes me that folks with perseverant contact/communications and communicating skills can take a random meeting with an ethnic group and then immediately label the masses of that group as, "something." Talk about your unscientific polls. All you can honestly say is that the majority of the folks that YOU'VE come into contact with are, whatever. Of course, that begs the question, does it really take one to know one? Or possibly, do you find what you look for?

It's sort of like when I am with a large group of African American males and someone says all white folks are "insert negative statement." It can easily draw a chorus of "you got that right!" statements. And then I can harshly disagree with the comment and raise an anger at me for daring to not think that "all" wouldn't actually translate into a majority.

Just as I've seen the number 40% (or more) from some here, I have been told by African Americans that whites who don't get it run somewhere around 90% range. There is a school of thought that 9 out of 10 white folks wield some sort of racist behavior regularly. Could this be true? That being the case, that would make the majority of white folks in America, PC or not, racists! That said and agreed to then means you are walking up a hill with no end in sight. You can NEVER achieve racial a harmony if that is the African American viewpoint.

And we know that to not be a true representation. Or do we? If that is the mindset of a peoples, how can you say anything that will make a true difference? Could this be a valid question when you are talking race relations as it pertains to African Americans, Arabs, Asians, Europeans and Americans?

When I am in an airport and the boarding call is about to be made. I start to put myself in line with the other folks who are waiting. Inevitably there is always, IMHO, a group of males who like to do the merge into line thing. A line has formed yet they feel immune to the need to get to the end of it. It's ok if they just "merge in" into the front as folks won't mind. Wonder what color, ethnic group, age group this bunch of numbnuts is? :)
 
Quote from spect8or:

Is it really the crime of the century to admit you prefer the company of Europeans over Africans, Indians or East Asians? Why? It is self-evident that blacks prefer blacks, Chinese prefer Chinese, Mexicans Mexicans etc. Why must Europeans be the only people forced to pretend otherwise?

Do you actually expect to do any effective thinking with those labels? I feel like if I opened up your toolbox I'd find one of those goofy little sets one finds at a dollar store.
 
That people act differently in a homogeneous group than they would act individually is nothing new.

There are few independent thinkers who stay consistently vocal with their positions whether or not they are in a group who supports their position, in a group who doesn't support their issue, or alone.

Quote from canyonman00:

My girlfriend is a diversity trainer, national speaker and author. Contracted regularly by major national corporate clients and self-employed for almost twenty-five years now. I am neither a liberal democrat, nor a critical republican. And we are African American. The radio show study no matter how you couch it, is basically true.

We talk about this regularly as she has this trouble with many of her corporate mandated attendees really getting to say what they want to really say. They are all walking the PC lines as tightly as they can. They acknowledge that things might not be right and that it's truly not their fault but they are ready to help change things. And I do personally find it funny, and sad.

I can walk into a liberal group of her friends and listen to their opinions. I can scowl, make a strong African American male counter statement, and then watch the whole group squirm. I regularly tell them about how they are crippling many people with their "I'm there for/with you brother" attitudes, policies, postures. Especially when they have their cume-by-ya moments.

It amazes me that folks with perseverant contact/communications and communicating skills can take a random meeting with an ethnic group and then immediately label the masses of that group as, "something." Talk about your unscientific polls. All you can honestly say is that the majority of the folks that YOU'VE come into contact with are, whatever. Of course, that begs the question, does it really take one to know one? Or possibly, do you find what you look for?

It's sort of like when I am with a large group of African American males and someone says all white folks are "insert negative statement." It can easily draw a chorus of "you got that right!" statements. And then I can harshly disagree with the comment and raise an anger at me for daring to not think that "all" wouldn't actually translate into a majority.

Just as I've seen the number 40% (or more) from some here, I have been told by African Americans that whites who don't get it run somewhere around 90% range. There is a school of thought that 9 out of 10 white folks wield some sort of racist behavior regularly. Could this be true? That being the case, that would make the majority of white folks in America, PC or not, racists! That said and agreed to then means you are walking up a hill with no end in sight. You can NEVER achieve racial a harmony if that is the African American viewpoint.

And we know that to not be a true representation. Or do we? If that is the mindset of a peoples, how can you say anything that will make a true difference? Could this be a valid question when you are talking race relations as it pertains to African Americans, Arabs, Asians, Europeans and Americans?

When I am in an airport and the boarding call is about to be made. I start to put myself in line with the other folks who are waiting. Inevitably there is always, IMHO, a group of males who like to do the merge into line thing. A line has formed yet they feel immune to the need to get to the end of it. It's ok if they just "merge in" into the front as folks won't mind. Wonder what color, ethnic group, age group this bunch of numbnuts is? :)
 
Quote from Pabst:

It's people like you who are regressive, anti-intelectual, anti-discussion trolls. Honestly.

You've railed on endlessly that I'm a racist because I dared opine that in my vast experience, 40% of the black's I've known are assholes. Of course you as a CANADIAN, know race relations better than someone who's lived forty years in the second highest black populated city in North America.

Here's some interesting statistics from the Department of Justice.

"At year end 2004 there were 3,218 black male sentenced prison inmates per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,220 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 Hispanic males and 463 white male inmates per 100,000 white males."

Like most thought policing liberals you can turn a blind eye towards these dramatic numbers. As an AMERICAN who chooses to live in a diverse city, I must confront certain realities.......

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm


What is your point?

As a "Black" man I'm offended at your apparant racist remarks.
I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and please explain what you mean by the above?
 
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