For discussion: Do liberals injure blacks?

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Mr. Master Race speaks...75% of members of a race are assholes....by virtue of the color of their skin....

Quote from spect8or:

It's called a guesstimate.

I'd be quite willing to state a number as high as 75%. Perhaps not assholes - a difficult term to define, afterall - but certainly people of whom I was left with an on-balance negative opinion of.

I haven't spent a great deal of time in America, and so have never really had much contact with blacks. Most contact I did have was limited to black customer service personnel and black mendicants asking me for "$2". (One such black came closest to guessing my nationality, while most whites assumed I was hispanic - walking out of the supermarket one day, I was approached with, "Hey cuz, us Italians gotta stick together man. Gimme a dollar"). The customer service I have received from blacks has been almost invariably of a (sometimes far) lower quality than that I have received from whites. At times, the incompetence became quite frustrating, but it was usually the casual indifference in their attitude that irked me. I found it unaccountable because I'm not in the least a huffy, demanding customer. I came to America firmly convinced that all it took to get along with blacks was simply treating them with the same friendliness I would extend to anyone of any race. And so I would, in my first few, still raw, weeks, strike up conversations with the occasional black while waiting at bus-stops or in line at McDonald's. I soon ended this practise because I found the people I spoke with either never had anything even slightly interesting to say, or rudely snubbed me.

It wasn't all negative, though. I recall one black gentleman, whom I met at the Las Vegas Bright Trading office, with whom I had a very pleasant encounter. It was all the more pleasing because I began to think, probably by some sort of osmosis, that I should be able to have such encounters with blacks, that it's somehow a sign of moral goodness to be able to get along well with blacks. This moral sense seems to be confirmed by polling in which some sixty or seventy percent of whites claim to have 'at least one good black friend'. If this were true, given the disparity in numbers between whites and blacks, it would mean that blacks, even the lowest class gang-bangers, each have, on average, four white good friends. Or if we simply take the upper half of blacks, in terms of class, each them would have, on average, eight white good friends. With so much white love and warmth abounding, it would be a wonder how such blacks - they are upper class, so they largely command what passes for 'the black view' - ever find the opportunity to experience any 'racism'.

Humor aside, I think the greatest injury liberal whites to do blacks is telling that they are absolutely, precisely, geometrically equal to whites in every single way, and that therefore they must achieve at at least the same level of whites in every single sphere of human activity, and that the only reason they do not is because of a pervasive, usually underground, and, by now (we are told), 'institutional' white 'racism', working day and night to keep them down. There is a far simpler, far more 'elegant' (as scientists like to say) explanation, and that is that blacks and whites are simply not equal; that genes matter; and that as long as genes matter, and as long as whites continue to inherit their genes from other whites and blacks from other blacks, the differences will persist. Such views, of course, are simply unacceptable to a society which has accepted a fiat declaration that there are not, that there cannot be any significant differences between races. Scientific investigation is known (the hubris!) to be unnecessary. So we labor on as we have done for the last fifty or so years, ever more certain that a solution to 'race relations' is in the offing with every new program, and when that fails to achieve anything (or actually makes things worse), ever more certain that 'racism' is to blame.

 

[acronym]

I have mentioned before, my opinion that spect8tor is but a thinly veiled mouthpiece for certain group philosophies.
I think you've blown your cover, spec-if not as a rep for said organisations, certainly as a seriously deluded piece of crap.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from spect8or:

It's called a guesstimate.

I'd be quite willing to state a number as high as 75%. Perhaps not assholes - a difficult term to define, afterall - but certainly people of whom I was left with an on-balance negative opinion of.

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Mr. Master Race speaks...75% of members of a race are assholes....by virtue of the color of their skin....

Uh, Z, didn't you notice that he said "NOT assholes"???

I mean, that must be it. We all know you would never disregard someone's words in order to allow you to proceed with a flawed premise...

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

It's called a guesstimate.

I'd be quite willing to state a number as high as 75%. Perhaps not assholes - a difficult term to define, afterall - but certainly people of whom I was left with an on-balance negative opinion of.

Perhaps indeed....

spect8or

There is a far simpler, far more 'elegant' (as scientists like to say) explanation, and that is that blacks and whites are simply not equal; that genes matter; and that as long as genes matter, and as long as whites continue to inherit their genes from other whites and blacks from other blacks, the differences will persist.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

Really makes you wonder why blacks, or whites or anyone of any color for that matter would not treat spect8or like the asshole he is....

Quote from hapaboy:

Uh, Z, didn't you notice that he said "NOT assholes"???

I mean, that must be it. We all know you would never disregard someone's words in order to allow you to proceed with a flawed premise...

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Really makes you wonder why blacks, or whites or anyone of any color for that matter would not treat spect8or like the asshole he is....

So you take umbrage that spect8or has had negative experiences with black people, you ignore that he adds that "asshole" is probably not the right expression to reference them by, yet you are free to label him an asshole?

 

[spect8or]

Quote from acronym:

I have mentioned before, my opinion that spect8tor is but a thinly veiled mouthpiece for certain group philosophies.
I think you've blown your cover, spec-if not as a rep for said organisations, certainly as a seriously deluded piece of crap.

"Certain group philosophies"... "blown my cover".

Lol.

If an outraged scream of "Racist!" is starting to wear a bit thin on peopele, maybe a bit of innuendo will do the job, eh?

Also, it's rather bizarre that an honest recounting of my experiences with blacks in America would be described as "seriously deluded". It's what I felt, for God's sake. Am I supposed to deny that I walked away from these encounters rather underwhelmed? Am I suppsoed to lie - much as most American whites do, to themselves, if no one else, that, for example, the real reason they left a 'changing neighbourhood' was because of 'bad schools' (what makes for a 'bad school'?) or 'crime' or whatever, instead of because of the very fact that its racial profile was changing? I wonder just who it is that is 'seriously deluded'.

Interestingly, a similarly honest and upfront account of one's feelings by a black is treated vastly differently. Randall Robinson is probably the best known black 'reparations' activist. He sayas in his book, “In the autumn of my life, I am left regarding white people, before knowing them individually, with irreducible mistrust and dull dislike.” [Italics added] White reviewers treated this "brutally frank", and the Washington Post called him “an unfiltered, uncensored, smart black voice in your ear.” Again, I'm left wondering just who is 'seriously deluded'.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

It's called a guesstimate.

I'd be quite willing to state a number as high as 75%. Perhaps not assholes - a difficult term to define, afterall - but certainly people of whom I was left with an on-balance negative opinion of.

Clearly that was not the emphasis I intended, but even using that, what is the problem with? It's logically airtight. Just as is the statement 'perhaps 100% of whites are not assholes', ie it is possible that 100% of whites are not assholes.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

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Surely that would refer to some sort of 'in the eyes of God' equality, since men are manifestly and self-evidently not born equal. If not, perhaps you could tell us just in what ways men are 'equal'?

 

[spect8or]

Is it really the crime of the century to admit you prefer the company of Europeans over Africans, Indians or East Asians? Why? It is self-evident that blacks prefer blacks, Chinese prefer Chinese, Mexicans Mexicans etc. Why must Europeans be the only people forced to pretend otherwise?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

All men are equal in their intrinsic value.

Quote from spect8or:

Clearly that was not the emphasis I intended, but even using that, what is the problem with? It's logically airtight. Just as is the statement 'perhaps 100% of whites are not assholes', ie it is possible that 100% of whites are not assholes.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

Surely that would refer to some sort of 'in the eyes of God' equality, since men are manifestly and self-evidently not born equal. If not, perhaps you could tell us just in what ways men are 'equal'? [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[spect8or]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

All men are equal in their intrinsic value.

Which is more or less 'eyes of God' equality. Or a legal equality. And as far as that goes, that's fine. But it's also important to remember that there's nothing 'real' about it. People are born with different potential and if potential is distributed differently among different groups (racial groups included, as evidence amply demonstrates it is) then that's just an aspect of reality we need to come to grips with. Feel-good 'declarations' won't change any of it. And neither can feel-good declarations change how people feel about other people. It might be one thing to say all men are equal under God, or in the eyes of the law, but quite another to get me to attach the same value to some starving Ethopian as I would to my father - even a hundred starving Ethopians. And since most people think as I do - we value different people differently - you get persistent in-group/out-group formations appearing.