For all the moral equivalence-hampered moonbats

Trader5287 · Oct 12, 2007

Another big day for the troops.

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. forces mistakenly killed nine children and six women during an operation targeting leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq north of Baghdad, the military said.

AAAintheBeltway · Oct 12, 2007

Quote from Trader5287:

Another big day for the troops.

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. forces mistakenly killed nine children and six women during an operation targeting leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq north of Baghdad, the military said.

What's your point? That our troops are somehow happy about this? I've seen some sick shit on here but this takes the cake.

Trader5287 · Oct 12, 2007

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

What's your point? That our troops are somehow happy about this? I've seen some sick shit on here but this takes the cake.

A few of us dont like soldiers and rah rah boys and I plan to be around here as long as I can making just that point.

Thunderdog · Oct 12, 2007

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A few of us dont like soldiers and rah rah boys and I plan to be around here as long as I can making just that point.

I think we should be focusing our distaste less on the soldiers, who are working under intolerable conditions, and more on the people who put them there. It takes incredible courage to be a soldier in Iraq. It takes an asshole to put them there without proper planning, equipment or reason.

cgroupman · Oct 12, 2007

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I think we should be focusing our distaste less on the soldiers, who are working under intolerable conditions, and more on the people who put them there. It takes incredible courage to be a soldier in Iraq. It takes an asshole to put them there without proper planning, equipment or reason.

I've been staying out of this, not a real fan of the baiting via name calling on thread names, whichever side. However, I have to agree that I doubt very seriously our brave troops were happy about killing innocent people. I can understand that it is difficult to identify the enemy at times, especially for these very young soldiers who are likely scared most of the time, and rightfully so.

I also feel that you're right about placing whatever blame there is on the group that pushed so hard to get into this nightmare. Even if you agree with the initial premise, WMD's and all that, getting rid of Saddam, mission accomplished, how can you come to terms with what followed. The lack of study of the region and their sects involved caused us to send our kids right into the middle of an ever-increasing civil war.

I don't post nearly as much as most of you guys, so I like to repeat how I feel about all the polarization that has developed since 9/11. One sure way for the real bad guys to feel that they have beaten the U.S. is to simply watch our extreme right and left factions tear the Country apart. We really don't have to call each other names, and we really don't have to live or die by either sides talking points/drumbeat. We could get back to the America that I grew up with, lose th hatred from within, and try to actually evolve our way out of all this infighting.

c

hapaboy · Oct 13, 2007

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How does this grunt, feel about it being paid for out of iraqi oil, which he MUST be aware, will be a long time coming-particularly with so many contracts going to the chinese, or other nations less concerned about the specific safety of their workers than the bottom dollar.
How does he feel, about the fact more is invested in securing said oil wells, than the very lives of the oppressed , tortured, bombed out and generally unfortunate victims of this war, that he feels was so just-when the same goddamn murdering savages are STILL wreaking havoc throughout the countryside?

Gee, maybe you should ask him. He just MUST be aware of how things are according to you, huh?

And links supporting these opinions of yours would be helpful to begin with, by the way.

And your solution to the savages wreaking havoc throughout the country side is to.....leave and let those savages REALLY wreak havoc throughout the entire country?

Quite right, its not worth shit-the diplomats, and privateers efforts are worth a FREAKIN BUNDLE of money.
How does this gi joe feel about that.
Some comment would be nice, there.

Well, write him and perhaps he'll send you a comment. That he didn't include YOUR opinions in HIS article are in all likelihood an indication that he does not share your view on things.

Plenty of potentates, (not potato's, with an E, potentates) have opened up a big can of stoopid, and painted themselves with broad brush strokes into a corner.

This appears to be one of them, and naturally, i disagree with your diagreement

I agree that large canS of stupid, with a u, not an oo, have indeed been opened.

hapaboy · Oct 13, 2007

Quote from Trader5287:

Another big day for the troops.

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. forces mistakenly killed nine children and six women during an operation targeting leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq north of Baghdad, the military said.

More moonbat cluelessness. Does the word "mistakenly" mean anything to you? Or are you one of those particular species of moonbats who goes so far as to believe that our troops are en masse deliberately targeting innocent Iraqi women and children for fun, and that in fact it's military policy over there to do it? If so, again, more moonbat cluelessness.

Quote from Trader5287:

A few of us dont like soldiers and rah rah boys and I plan to be around here as long as I can making just that point.

Interesting. You don't justify WHY you don't like soldiers...why is that? Or perhaps you have no rational basis for your dislike?

Tell us, do you not like policemen as well? FBI? Just a dislike for the military and law enforcement in general? Just fightin' The Man, are you?

AAAintheBeltway · Oct 13, 2007

Quote from cgroupman:

I've been staying out of this, not a real fan of the baiting via name calling on thread names, whichever side. However, I have to agree that I doubt very seriously our brave troops were happy about killing innocent people. I can understand that it is difficult to identify the enemy at times, especially for these very young soldiers who are likely scared most of the time, and rightfully so.

I also feel that you're right about placing whatever blame there is on the group that pushed so hard to get into this nightmare. Even if you agree with the initial premise, WMD's and all that, getting rid of Saddam, mission accomplished, how can you come to terms with what followed. The lack of study of the region and their sects involved caused us to send our kids right into the middle of an ever-increasing civil war.

I don't post nearly as much as most of you guys, so I like to repeat how I feel about all the polarization that has developed since 9/11. One sure way for the real bad guys to feel that they have beaten the U.S. is to simply watch our extreme right and left factions tear the Country apart. We really don't have to call each other names, and we really don't have to live or die by either sides talking points/drumbeat. We could get back to the America that I grew up with, lose th hatred from within, and try to actually evolve our way out of all this infighting.

c

Amen. Oops, that probably offended someone.

AAAintheBeltway · Oct 13, 2007

Quote from Trader5287:

Another big day for the troops.

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. forces mistakenly killed nine children and six women during an operation targeting leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq north of Baghdad, the military said.

I just read the account of this incident in USA Today, hardly a Bush apologist. Their article states that troops launched a raid against a building where insurgents were holed up and faced small arms fire. Airstrikes were called in, followed by a ground assault. They found 15 dead terrorists, in addition to the women and children.

Now I don't know if these women and children were family members of the terrorists or just found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, although the former seems more likely. This is the same situation Israel faced in their last warfare against hezhbollah. Terrorists attack from civilian areas or try to use civilians as shields. Both are clear violations of the Geneva Conventions, but the media never mention that, only that "civilians" were killed. I suppose liberals would prefer our soldiers to give afree pass to terrorists hiding behind civilians, and to a large extent, that is exactly what our troops do, even if it means exposing themselves to terrible risks. But warfare is never risk free and civilians have always suffered disproportionately. If you want to avoid being a civlian casualty, probably the best action is to avoid terrorists. shelter them and you are fair game.

CaptainObvious · Oct 13, 2007

Quote from Trader5287:

Another big day for the troops.

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. forces mistakenly killed nine children and six women during an operation targeting leaders of al-Qaeda in Iraq north of Baghdad, the military said.

To worry about collateral damage is the fast track to defeat. Something we've gotten quite good at over the last 4-5 decades. No coincidence that's precisely how long we've been getting our asses kicked around the world. Had we been less concerned with collateral damage, and more concerned with winning, this war would be long over.